is it nonsense to count card in ASM ?

[beyond14]

if there is no any break for shuffling card

when should i begin to count the card

or anyway to make it still have some little

gain for player to know when should I spread my bets ?

[LeonShuffle]

If the cards are always being shuffled, how you could possibly count?

Think about it.

[beyond14]

for example , if only me one player on the table

i think around 10-15 mins to clear a five deck card

can I recount at the beginning for every ten mins ?

will it also give me little profit ?

[FunkyChicken]

beyond, I think we're having a bit of a language problem. I don't quite undersatnd.

If your question is can you count cards when there is an automatic shuffler or somesuch. The answer is generally no.

You could start counting anew at every hand -- and I guess in a one deck game it would provide a little profit perhaps.

However, in a multi-deck game, it would be worthless. The point of counting cards is to keep track of the cards played. When the cards played are reshuffled, the count is no longer valid.

If you are asking some other question, I don't understand it unfortunately.

[stainless steel rat]

there are two different devices.

1. ASM is an automatic shuffler that shuffles a complete pack off N decks. The game is played with two packs of cards, usually one pack has all red backs, the other has all blue backs. While the red pack is in the shoe being dealt, the blue pack is in the shuffler being shuffled. These can be beat by counting just like a hand-shuffled game, and actually offer the counter a better game because the game is faster.

2. CSM is an automatic shuffler that only has one big pack of cards, and after each round the just-played cards are re-inserted into the machine. This is not beatable by counting and should never be played.

[stainless steel rat]

there are two different devices.

1. ASM is an automatic shuffler that shuffles a complete pack off N decks. The game is played with two packs of cards, usually one pack has all red backs, the other has all blue backs. While the red pack is in the shoe being dealt, the blue pack is in the shuffler being shuffled. These can be beat by counting just like a hand-shuffled game, and actually offer the counter a better game because the game is faster.

2. CSM is an automatic shuffler that only has one big pack of cards, and after each round the just-played cards are re-inserted into the machine. This is not beatable by counting and should never be played.

[beyond14]

I wonder all the casino now are using CSM

and i just find a online livecam casino casino868.com

is using hand shuffling

but it is 8 decks card , without surreder

it allow double after spilt

but no respilt

they will divide the card into two , and each time they will play around half the card from each half deck , then will use the other one to play another half , each time they just shuffle from the half deck and will not mess up the two half

then is it a - EV game or beatable game for long term

how many we can earn if we using KISS III for counting in this game

but I found that there is very few time it will get count over 19

[beyond14]

and it can double at any points , dealer will hit on soft 17

[FunkyChicken]

1/2 a deck penetration isn't great. I'm not familiar with KISS -- does that use true count?

I'd be surprised if you ever got the count over 19 -- but I'm probably using my hi/low knowledge when you are talking KISS; so don't be surprised at my surprise.

As an aside, Atlantic City does not use CSM, you can always try there.