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SabinVI
08-26-2004, 09:42 AM
Hi everyone. Let me start out that I am a long time reader of this board, but a first time poster. I was reading this board back during the good days of Bug (if there was any), but never had any valuable thing to say. Maybe this isn't valuable either. I also wanted to note that I have respect for everyone on this board, and have gotten very useful advice many times. This includes Grifter, and let me apologize in advance for "feeding the trolls," but I assure you, that is not my intention.

I am basically writing as a final request to Alex to please post the rules and strategy of his entire system. When he first posted about it, I'll admit I was intrigued. I am willing to give anything a test run, but this is impossible without knowing the whole system. I believe that some of the people on this board have not given Alex's system the chance it deserves. I will agree with you that he probably fabricated some of the results, but in my opinion, that does not mean the system is totally useless.

Of course, it does lessen the system and his credibility. But, when you think about it, it is very common for people to exagerate things that are still true. When you are telling your friends a story, don't you sometimes change little details to make it better than it actually was? This doesn't mean that your story was totally false though. I believe that Alex's system may really work, but that he may have changed some of the data to make it look better. I am NOT saying that I support this, but that it is possible.

The reason that I am so interested in this is because I was born in Nevada, and have lived here for 22 years. Born in Vegas, and just graduated college in Reno. I must say that I like Reno better. $1 single deck with my cheap friends, or more expensive tables by myself with excellent rules to attract customers. I am still very much a newbie, but have mastered BS and the K-O system, going to the casino about 3 times a week to play. But, I am at a loss. Even when strictly sticking to this system, I lose in the long run. I am always looking for new things to try. I could try a more complex card counting system, but I really want to make the game remain fun. I don't want it to be a chore.

So Alex, if you could, please post your full system here. I would really appreciate it, and I'm sure that it would earn some of your credibility back. I will personally test the exact system you post in real situations, without a computer simulator. One thing that makes me believe more in the system is Grifter's own test of it. He even admits that it was successful, but that there was a LOT of risk involved. I believe that with some more testing of the system, we can really find out if it is worth the risk or not.

If not, I guess I will go back to my K-O system, and try some other methods where I can still enjoy in the game. It sounds like Alex's system makes enjoyment and winning possible, which is why I am so interested in it. I'm sorry in advance if this post causes any problems. Thank you.

AlexD30
08-26-2004, 11:09 AM
Hi everyone. Let me start out that I am a long time reader of this board, but a first time poster. I was reading this board back during the good days of Bug (if there was any), but never had any valuable thing to say. Maybe this isn't valuable either. I also wanted to note that I have respect for everyone on this board, and have gotten very useful advice many times. This includes Grifter, and let me apologize in advance for "feeding the trolls," but I assure you, that is not my intention.

I am basically writing as a final request to Alex to please post the rules and strategy of his entire system. When he first posted about it, I'll admit I was intrigued. I am willing to give anything a test run, but this is impossible without knowing the whole system. I believe that some of the people on this board have not given Alex's system the chance it deserves. I will agree with you that he probably fabricated some of the results, but in my opinion, that does not mean the system is totally useless.

Of course, it does lessen the system and his credibility. But, when you think about it, it is very common for people to exagerate things that are still true. When you are telling your friends a story, don't you sometimes change little details to make it better than it actually was? This doesn't mean that your story was totally false though. I believe that Alex's system may really work, but that he may have changed some of the data to make it look better. I am NOT saying that I support this, but that it is possible.

The reason that I am so interested in this is because I was born in Nevada, and have lived here for 22 years. Born in Vegas, and just graduated college in Reno. I must say that I like Reno better. $1 single deck with my cheap friends, or more expensive tables by myself with excellent rules to attract customers. I am still very much a newbie, but have mastered BS and the K-O system, going to the casino about 3 times a week to play. But, I am at a loss. Even when strictly sticking to this system, I lose in the long run. I am always looking for new things to try. I could try a more complex card counting system, but I really want to make the game remain fun. I don't want it to be a chore.

So Alex, if you could, please post your full system here. I would really appreciate it, and I'm sure that it would earn some of your credibility back. I will personally test the exact system you post in real situations, without a computer simulator. One thing that makes me believe more in the system is Grifter's own test of it. He even admits that it was successful, but that there was a LOT of risk involved. I believe that with some more testing of the system, we can really find out if it is worth the risk or not.

If not, I guess I will go back to my K-O system, and try some other methods where I can still enjoy in the game. It sounds like Alex's system makes enjoyment and winning possible, which is why I am so interested in it. I'm sorry in advance if this post causes any problems. Thank you.

I'm not kidding now. I would like to post it but I have to make sure casino doesn't read the post. I don't know who is getting to the details of my system. I'm not into selling anything and I don't have any interest to lure people into anything that lose money. IF I post, than people can verify the system against real game outcomes without betting at first. See for yourself if my system win or lose. Calculate the stats and see if they come close with what I'm posting about.

BUT I CANNOT LET CASINO KNOW HOW I'M GOING ABOUT TO OFFSET THE W/L RATIO.
Do you understand?

Mike
08-26-2004, 11:15 AM
Sabin,
Losing is a relitive term. It sounds like you really enjoy the game, so when you play for fun and it doesn't cost you so much money that you miss meals, aren't you really winning? I like to play too and winning money is a added bonus, to getting away on short vacations, visiting nice hotels with great meals, people watching, etc. As far as long term winning is concerned, well, it's luck, as far as I'm concerned. Pure luck.

SabinVI
08-26-2004, 11:21 AM
I think I understood what you were saying, but your post was a little confusing. Of course, if you post your system, I would run some extensive at-home tests before I spent the big bucks at the casino. I would do these tests using real play scenarios, not a computer sim.

If your system really works, of course nobody would want the casino to know about it. But, I don't think you have to worry about that at this point. From what I've seen on this site, its just a bunch of people who really love the game of blackjack, like myself. I really think the casinos have many more important things to do than to check out small sites like this. And even if they did, I don't think it would change anything. 99% of gamblers just go to the casino to have fun, and aren't interested in in-depth strategies. Even if the strategy works, the casinos are always going to get rich from the people who are just going to have a good time.


Mike, I agree with you. Blackjack is fun, and winning is an added bonus. But of course, if winning was assured, it would be even more fun. If Alex's system is real, why not have fun and win at the same time? If it doesn't work, its not a big loss. I'll still have fun if its not, but I think its worth a few hours of my time to test it.

Mike
08-26-2004, 01:16 PM
Sabin,
In regard to your comment on the strategy I agree 100%... try everything and use what works for you. :D
I have to respectfully disagree though, on your thoughts on assured winning. I think that if you we're assured a win every session that it would cease to be fun anymore, but maybe I'm an oddball.

Alex, I read your posts most of the time, but your last comment

"BUT I CANNOT LET CASINO KNOW HOW I'M GOING ABOUT TO OFFSET THE W/L RATIO."

Insults what little intelligence I have left.. Sorry
Mike

AlexD30
08-26-2004, 03:18 PM
Sabin,
In regard to your comment on the strategy I agree 100%... try everything and use what works for you. :D
I have to respectfully disagree though, on your thoughts on assured winning. I think that if you we're assured a win every session that it would cease to be fun anymore, but maybe I'm an oddball.

Alex, I read your posts most of the time, but your last comment

"BUT I CANNOT LET CASINO KNOW HOW I'M GOING ABOUT TO OFFSET THE W/L RATIO."

Insults what little intelligence I have left.. Sorry
Mike

Mike, I'm not insulting no one!
I'm not saying that any one of the guys here are part of casino industry.
I'm not double-dealing here. I honestly believe that my system, the way I play it, offsets the W/L ratio of the game of BJ.

In the beginning, a couple weeks ago, I post some details. I, later, delete them. And further on I post some confusion and made some changes to repair the “damage” that some friends have advised me of not to be open in regard with the mechanism that offsets the W/L ratio of the game.

It is not obvious what offsets that critical ratio. The casinos have no idea how the W/L ratio can be offset in player’s favor. Unless one know details, most people will not believe that the core of the game can be altered in such a way to give an edge to the player. Most people still look at the game using card counting mentality. As I posted before that betting by card counting gives you a very small edge, in respect to the long run, but that edge is minuscule. But nothing spectacular.

My method, offsets the W/L ration in such a way that it doesn’t matter the long run. Once you dislocate the house edge from the W/L percentage, it doesn’t balance out no matter how many hands you continue playing. You just keep offsetting as long as you are at the table. Keep repeating what you doing as long as you are in the game.

Sonny
08-31-2004, 08:18 PM
So are you going to step up to the plate or not?

I can tell that you've put a LOT of hard work and thought into your system. Are you going to disclose it (through private email of course) to one of us? An independent verification would really give you a great deal of power on this website. And who knows, perhaps we could find a way to improve upon it.

-Sonny-

Sonny
08-31-2004, 08:20 PM
So are you going to step up to the plate or not?

I can tell that you've put a LOT of hard work and thought into your system. Are you going to disclose it (through private email of course) to one of us? An independent verification would really give you a great deal of power on this website. And who knows, perhaps we could find a way to improve upon it.

-Sonny-

AlexD30
08-31-2004, 09:03 PM
So are you going to step up to the plate or not?

I can tell that you've put a LOT of hard work and thought into your system. Are you going to disclose it (through private email of course) to one of us? An independent verification would really give you a great deal of power on this website. And who knows, perhaps we could find a way to improve upon it.

-Sonny-

SabinVI got it by email

uptoolayte
09-10-2004, 04:44 AM
I feel the same as SabinVI in that I would like to test it out in simulations and finally understand what this system is all about. I've read earlier forums and it is somewhat confusing as to what information relates to the system you created, Alex. I'm kinda new here, but my game is very solid so I believe I could properly test any system successfully. Has this system been posted somewhere on this site, or is it exclusive to a few people. Just wanted to know, I'd be greatful for any information to make this game more interesting and give me an edge!

Regards,
Zeb