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quartex
12-05-2004, 04:57 AM
Hi,

I have done a sim to see the clump-card effect on a game.
To do this, I calc a clump_count BEFORE playing the shoe and I
Record the numbers of bets won/lost AT THE END of the shoe for some values of this clump_count.

The clump_count is calc like this:
high= 8,9,10
low= 2,3,4,5,6,7 aces are ignored.
(You will note this is a balanced count.)
0) if the current_card or the previous card is an ace step '1)' and '2)' are skiped.
1) Every time high follow high or low follow low I Add 1 to the clump_count
2) if not '1)' then I substract 1 from the clump_count.


the count is of course reseted before a new shuffle.


I have first calculated the average value of my Clump_count (-0.9)
then I have recorded the result around this value.

The result is very surprising for me and is in fact to the oposit of what I was inspecting for.


Result:



6 Decks, S17, D9, DAS, ENHC (!), early surrender (except on aces)

edge for this game for a pure BS player: +/- -0.4

result for the player[1] (first base).


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1000000 shoes 7 players casino shuffle.

average clump_count: -0.9

clump_count < -0.9: nbr of shoes:510538 bets won: -46410.5
clump_count > -0.9: nbr of shoes:489462 bets won: +3846.5 (?)

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1000000 shoes 7 players random shuffle.

average clump_count: -0.9

clump_count < -0.9: nbr of shoes:510931 bets won: -53609.5
clump_count > -0.9: nbr of shoes:489069 bets won: +730.0 (?)
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1000000 shoes 7 players no shuffle.

average clump_count: -3.9 (?)

clump_count < -0.9: nbr of shoes:582606 bets won: -64053.5
clump_count > -0.9: nbr of shoes:417394 bets won: -5110.5





Questions:
1) how is it possible to have an edge when the Clump_count is greater than it's average value ?
2) why is the result so different between all the shuffle procedures ?
3) Why the average clump_count drop to -3.9 with no shuffle ?


Your opinion ?

Thanks.

Ray
12-05-2004, 06:13 AM
quartex- Clump card is bogus and has been proven so by several
good studies. I directed one individual to the best one sometime last
yr. I don't remember the site, but if you search on clump card and
look for this guy "Brian/Brice" and/or debunking clump card you should
be able to locate same...............

Ray
12-05-2004, 07:07 AM
quartex- As a second thought, you may be talking about a more
advanced card counting system that I know was being looked at.
More like one of the balanced +/- systems but uses the relationship
between clumps to arrive at some advantage and does not follow
the idea that large cards follow same or dealer hole card is X depending
on cards before and after,etc. If that is the case, then the above post
want help.