• I have a stupid question for you guys. When i play BJ i always use my comp card, But i have never really got much from it... Are you supposed to ask for comps like lunch or dinner comps etc? Or do they just give them to you? Sorry for the dumb question, i just dont want to look like an idiot asking for them.

    Thanks
  • Asking for a comp is a standard procedure. You can even ask for lunch or dinner for 2 if you are with someone. I see this stuff all the time in Atlantic City at the Taj. Everybody does it, except me. I never asked for a comp down there. I don't have to because my wife is a lunatic slot machine player. They offerred to fly me and my wife from New York to AC and back. Not because of my play, but because of hers. Last trip down she dropped $4700 in two days. All on the slots. I won about $300 at BJ.
  • You probably haven't seen much from it because you're not betting enough and not staying at a table long enough. And when you have enough "comped" you yourself request what you want, and if you have enough in your acct. they will than comp you. I'm tired of these people who say "it takes 3-4 hours usually to get a buffet comp" cuz they are just full of air. I have NEVER waited that long to get a simple buffet comp... Probably an hour TOPS ever is the most I waited for that, and I'm not even a religious quarter gambler ($25 min. table), sometimes I play at $5 and $10 tables and get my comps nice and quick. It also depends on how nice the pit boss is that you ask because some can be total jerks and not even comp you to go to the RESTROOM.
  • So basically you just ask them if you can get a lunch/dinner comp? And then they check your play and say yes or no?
  • Yup, they usually say something like "You dont have enough yet..." or "Play some more!!!!!!!!!" when you dont have enough. You might also want to try other pit bosses cuz a few might be @$$e$ just for the hell of it, you know what I'm saying?
  • gotcha, thanks for the info... ill have to give it a shot next time im in AC, i go almost every week heh
  • They all comp slot players much more generously, which tells you a lot about what they expect from slots. Ted, I sure hope you got some stupendous comps for that net $4400 loss.
  • What? Ted, you lost $4400?!??!?!? I must have missed your post that said that, lol... but yeah, if that's the case than you better ask to get comped in their best hotel for the next YEAR!
  • Comps will depend on : The size of your average bet. How long you played. The size of the casino and their comp policy. It never hurts to ask for one. You can always ask the pit boss, what would be required for a comp (for 1 or 2) before you play. Don't play for comps (make higher wagers than you wanted to, just to get a comp) But also, take advantage of any you can get.
  • midnite said:
    Don't play for comps (make higher wagers than you wanted to, just to get a comp) But also, take advantage of any you can get.


    Very good advice.

    Or do what I do. Take your high-roller friends with you to Vegas. 8)

    Last time I was there, I only paid for one meal in 3 days. The rest were comped due to my buddy's high average bets. He bets anywhere from $50-200 per hand consistently.
  • Hah, nice... I wish I had high-roller friends, hahaha. Out of all my friends *IM* probably the one who's the highest "roller" LOL!
  • I always ask for comps, though. The worst that can happen is that they tell you you haven't been playing long enough. In my (somewhat limited) experience, it's best if you know what you're asking for. The easiest to get is a buffet comped. Shows, steak dinners, rooms, et al, are much more difficult to get (gotta be betting bigger average $ per hand for longer time periods).

    For reference, I'm usually a $10 or so per hand player.
  • So how long does it normally take you to get a buffet comped? I dont know if others have tried this, but sometimes what I do is say "Can I get 3 buffets for my 2 friends?" Then if they give it, I'll say something like "Is there room for another one? My other friend hasn't eaten eitehr" or some guilt trip story to try and soften their hearts. Works nicely, but yeah, doesn't hurt to ask at all!
  • Bug, they gave her a suite for 5 days. That's what she asked for. She gets these coupons in the mail every month from the Taj. When she goes she cashes them in. Last time she went she cashed in over $600.
    They just can't do enuf for her. She doesn't always lose however. She has gone home winning a few times. But mostly she'll drop a thousand or so.
    Foxwood's is always after her. But I like AC much better and only because of the Garden State Parkway. Never any traffic. Just a much nicer ride from Manhattan. In addition she has a great job. I'm 67 and retired. Matter of fact I retired at 51. I just hang around the neighborhood now trying to memorize the BS chart.
  • Ted, if you're smart enough to have figured out a way to retire at 51 yet stay in Manhattan, you're smart enough to memorize Basic Strategy and a whole lot more.
  • Yeah, Ted at your age I see it as totally and utterly UNEXCUSABLE for you not to have memorized a simple chart like that. Shit, I memorized that 1x4" table by the 2nd day I looked at it... you must not have been playing BJ very long eh?

    The way your wife plays sounds like this guy I know at the casino.... he'd drop 10,000-20,000 and bet 5,000 on one hand and win, etc. But he has no control... he doesn't know WHEN to stop, than when he loses his entire bankroll (prob. ~$50,000) he is pissed. I wonder why?! Cuz he doesn't even play ANYWHERE CLOSE to perfect BS!!!
  • In my lifetime, I have probably played a total of 10 hours of BJ. Most in AC with a couple of sessions in Foxwoods. I can sit and play for about a half hour when I begin to get "squirmy". At that point I retire to my room and watch TV. Mostly, I walk around the casino floor looking stupid. I seem to be getting a "bug" (no pun intended) for BJ in my declining years. :wink: ..My major gambling interest was always harness racing. I was a show bettor. That ought to tell you something about me. I've always been careful with money and probably have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Provided I die by Sunday. ER...make that Saturday night.
  • Hahahaha. What a post.
  • Desert Dog said:
    Ted, if you're smart enough to have figured out a way to retire at 51 yet stay in Manhattan, you're smart enough to memorize Basic Strategy and a whole lot more.


    My thoughts exactly. I gotta admit I was impressed when I read that.
  • Here's my comp story. I was in Tunica on business one time (actually, "business" was near Tunica, but you know how it is). Anyway, after checking in the Hollywood hotel I had nothing to do until the next night. So I got a card and played BJ most of the afternoon. Took a break for supper and came back. The cards got very, very good to where I was having helluva session. Next thing I know it's like 4:30 a.m. and I've probably been playing close to 12 hours and am about $500 ahead playing a $10 table. Well, the next morning (close to noon actually), I check out of the hotel. I'm on expense account so I don't think anything of it. They hand me my recepit, I stuff it in my briefcase and pay it no mind. I don't even think about it again until a few weeks later, at the end of the month, when I'm filling out my expense accounts. Only then, did I see that they had comped the room. So I marched straight to accounting at our place and pointed out how I was saving them money.
    But of course, that's just my luck ... get a room comped and I'm already on expense account.
  • Too funny SH. Was your accounting department impressed with your cost saving measures???
  • BJ_Fan said:
    Too funny SH. Was your accounting department impressed with your cost saving measures???


    THey were definitely impressed. Of course I immediately flew too close to the sun, so to speak, and suggested since I saved them money with my black jack, I should be able to put any losses on expense account. They were less excited about that.
  • I like your logic :wink: :wink: :wink:
  • I'm at odds whether to use comp cards or not. If you're playing a progression (or whatever) system that is working well, do you want to draw that attention, and have your wins recorded? On the other hand, the losing periods during the sequences I've simmed probably would have earned some pretty good comps. I guess it's a double-edged sword.I'm kind of leaning to the "less info for them is better" side, but those steak dinners sure are good!

    John
  • I went to The River Palms this weekend, got there about 2am Sat morn and my wife and I played a couple hours, and did real well, up around 500.00, and tipped the dealers very well. Right before we got up to leave the table, the pitboss came over and colored up the tokes that the dealer had in his corner, and it added up to around 135.00. Not all of it had come from me and the wife, but I'd say 80%-90% of it did. When we got up Saturday we had a messege on the phone and it said we had mail at the front desk, so I went to get it. I was worried it was some weird emergency or something, I'd never had anything delivered to me at a hotel before. I picked up an envelope with my name on it and inside was a coupon for brunch for two at their nicest place (The Lodge), no note, or anything, just the comp. (Worth about 45.00) I thought that was very cool, concidering they had to remember my name and find what room I was in and deliver it and all..I was very very surprised to see how really nice the brunch was too.
  • jm2552 said:
    I'm at odds whether to use comp cards or not. If you're playing a progression (or whatever) system that is working well, do you want to draw that attention, and have your wins recorded? On the other hand, the losing periods during the sequences I've simmed probably would have earned some pretty good comps. I guess it's a double-edged sword.I'm kind of leaning to the "less info for them is better" side, but those steak dinners sure are good!

    John


    If you're not counting cards, the fact that you're winning won't reduce your comps. It is how much you're betting that matters. They love progression bettors. They figure whatever they lose in the short run is going to come back to them and more in the long run. If you are a card counter, you may want to remain as anonymous as possible, unless you're also a terrific actor.
  • jm2552 said:
    I'm at odds whether to use comp cards or not. If you're playing a progression (or whatever) system that is working well, do you want to draw that attention, and have your wins recorded? On the other hand, the losing periods during the sequences I've simmed probably would have earned some pretty good comps. I guess it's a double-edged sword.I'm kind of leaning to the "less info for them is better" side, but those steak dinners sure are good!

    John


    JH. Dog is right. Win or lose doesn't matter .Just how much and how long you get. In fact, you're probalby more likely to get comped when winning. They have no sympathy for losers, but a they figure comping a winner is a good way to get another shot at his profits.
  • SH said:


    They have no sympathy for losers, but a they figure comping a winner is a good way to get another shot at his profits.


    SH, I like the way you put that. Makes you want to beat them all the more. It also gives me a little more confidence.

    Due to my wife's job, I can't test this out this week, but hopefully after Labor Day.

    Again, assuming that this works halfway decent, is the general consensus here that accomplishing $500 in one session, and then moving on, does not draw the wrath of the powers that be? And what if they take note of you doing this twice a week? Can they stop you?

    Sorry for so many questions, but you folks are experienced, and I really value your input/observations. Thanks again for that.

    John
  • Again, assuming that this works halfway decent, is the general consensus here that accomplishing $500 in one session, and then moving on, does not draw the wrath of the powers that be? And what if they take note of you doing this twice a week? Can they stop you?

    John[/quote]


    John, sometimes reading this board, youi'd think we're all locked in mortal combat with the dealers and floor people. Actually, in my experience that's hardly the case. Of course, I'm not a counter, but I've never seen the casino where they acted anything but happy for you when you win — at least my level of $10-$25 play, where an absolute killer night would net me between $600-$1000. Progressive betting doesn't scare them. I'll often be chatting with the pit boss and them exactly what my system is.They'll usually shrug or yawn or wander off. There's certainly no trap door that I suddenly fall through. They're in the entertainment business. They just want you to play. They want you to enjoy yourself. But not too much.
  • JH. Dog is right. Win or lose doesn't matter .Just how much and how long you get. In fact, you're probalby more likely to get comped when winning. They have no sympathy for losers, but a they figure comping a winner is a good way to get another shot at his profits.[/quote]

    I have heard that besides a 'buy in' rating and a 'general level of unit play' rating the pit crew sometimes also ranks the 'strength' of the players game. This was from someone who worked many years in Vegas as a pit boss and dealer (on one of his video tapes), and they would comp weak players more than strong players, win or lose, because there was more profit potential. Strength was gauged as use of Basic Strategy and betting style. He claimed progression bettors were rated stronger.
  • They seem to figure out a lot about you just from eyeballing. In Vegas they swipe your comp card through a reader when you buy in, but after that there's nothing automated -- at least not visible -- that records your bets or length of play, yet when I went to check what was on my comp account, I was told yes I had spent the threshold number of hours at the tables but if I really wanted good comps they'd like to see an average bet of $25, and mine were running about half that. How'd they know?

    Even at the casinos on the reservations around Phoenix they've got their eye on your play. Gal next to me Sunday, by the time of her 7th beer, had lost about $700 (there's probably a relationship between those two numbers) and she moaned about losing $700 to the pit boss, and he said appreciatively, "Yes, we know." This took a minute or two to sink in, and then she sobered up enough to ask the dealer "Hey that worries me. How did he know that?" He didn't say. At these reservation casinos, only slot players get comp cards, so there's no automated entry of anything, even on your buy-in.

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