The HEAT is on
  • :o While it's really cold outside here in N. MI. There is plenty of heat at my favorite cassino. Lately my friend and I have caught it. I've been playing my normal progression x,x,1.5x,2x,3x then back to x or if I'm feeling lucky I stay at 3x, x depends on the count, using the ace/ten front count. My buddy just uses the A/10 and varys bets from $5 to $100, I may go from $5 to $75. The $5 is at extreamly bad shoes. I've won the last 6 times there, but not a lot. My friend has had less luck but still pulling plenty of loot out of there. The last few times we have played we had as many as 3 or 4 pit bosses (thats like all of them) really eyeing our table hard, seems that on good shoes they're on the phone a lot too, while still eyeing our table. Pits we have been friendly with have turned cold. The dealers are still friendly as we tip well when winning, although they are chafing under new rules on card placement and hand movements to satisfy upstairs. I'm wondering if they have new software to catch counters? We have the most trouble when were at the same table. does any one know if MI indian cassinos can bar you or blacklist you? I think we are under Atlantic City rules. But I'm not positive of that. Any thoughts or suggestions? Shredder
  • Shredder, Those bet spreads are too wide. I would suggest that you
    go to $10, even when you have started out at $5. If the shoe starts
    to go south, coast down with several steps. Someone said that winning
    too much at one table will not get you barred and that is true, but it
    will get you some attention which in turn may get you barred. Try to cut
    off some green chips thru-out the session and change tables and location
    from time to time. Also, to look like you just came in off the street, buy
    in again if you change tables......Ray
  • Shredder
    I use the A-10 Front Count also. I have never tried a $5 to $100 spred though. It would really get you attention if you used it every time the front count called for an increase in bets. I play at a $10 table and use a spread of $10-$60. And then go up in two bets, not straight from $10 to $60. Only get unwanted attention when am also very lucky and win 4 or 5 in a row at $60. Even then it is more attention than any kind of open hostility.

    Charles
  • What about a $20-$60-$80 spread? (X, 3X, 4X and back to X at a loss). Think this will garner attention? A $10-$30-$40 spread works just as well, just takes longer. Maybe I should stick with that...

    Not counting, by the way.
  • JM2552

    I don't think you will get in any trouble at all using any progression. The casinos are not afraid of progressions. They think they will get their house edge with any progression.

    Charles
  • WOW those are big spreads.... PLEASE shrink them to a maximum of 1 to 10. I'd hate to see any player barred or tossed.

    Here's an idea I've been toying with for A/5 6deck DS17

    A5 1x, 2x, 3x, 3x
    -1 10, 20, 30, 30
    +0 20, 40, 60, 60
    +1 30, 60, 90, 90

    The spread is 1 to 9 and you will jump around quite a bit.
    The progression is left to right, the score is top to bottom.
    The -1 means -1 or less, the +1 means +1 or more.
    The A5 method gives you an even game to play the progression.

    Comments and suggestions welcomed.
    Moderators feel free to move this post to separate topic if needed.

    Good Cards

    N&B
  • Anyone up on Michigan rules, can I get barred? Is counting a reason to get the boot? Shredder
  • Shredder - I have never played in Michigan and don't play six deck, so someone else will have to give you the part of the answer regarding Michigan law........But here are my thoughts.

    - You haven't been '86'd' yet, so chances are you won't be IF:

    - You listen to the folks who have posted above and stop those ridiculous spreads.....You are spreading 1-15 and you friend 1-20. No way can you do that without attracting attention. :!:

    As an example.....Last week someone posted about the Barbary Coast.....If you would try those spreads there, you would be "out the door" in thirty minutes.

    Regards.....Grifter
  • SHREDDER: As an after thought, your main source of exposure may
    be in trying to mix a progression with your counting system. It appears
    to me that a team concept could be applied with one individual counting
    and the other using a progression exclusively, but based on the count.
    If you are altering the values in the progression(upward) in relation to
    the count, then I can see how your spreads are going out of sight. If I'm
    understanding correctly, you may want to use a simple/step progression so as to avoid this situation(N & B, above) or better yet, play one or the other from
    shoe to shoe.( A/10 or Progression) Ray
  • It appears
    to me that a team concept could be applied with one individual counting
    and the other using a progression exclusively, but based on the count.
    If you are altering the values in the progression(upward) in relation to
    the count, then I can see how your spreads are going out of sight. If I'm
    understanding correctly, you may want to use a simple/step progression so as to avoid this situation(N & B, above) or better yet, play one or the other from
    shoe to shoe.( A/10 or Progression) Ray[/quote]

    Ray, you understand correctly, and I do play a progression with the starting piont based on the count, (A/10) while my friend varys his bet based on the counts. We're carefull not to use any signals as we both count at times and we don't want to be caught signaling each other. I think I will use the info and advice here and rein in the high and low sides of my bets to keep the spread tighter. We also have heard that there is a new boss and he wants to make a name for himself, that may explain some of the heat...........Shredder

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