Doubling on Ace-9??
  • I got in crap from players at a table yesterday for wanting to double my ace-9 pair on a dealer 6 up. I backed off it and the dealer busted with a king. Next card out of the shoe was a 10. i would have had a 20 and the dealer would have still busted. I'm gonna have to get more backbone I think! Have any ever made this play?
  • I'm fairly sure I did it a time or two back when I was drinking heavily.
  • not that unusual. A-9 vs 6 is double at +5 with hi-lo. But it has a bit of risk associated with doing so, namely it is countra-basic-strategy and can draw unwanted attention.
  • You already have more backbone than necessary! Don't mess with those A/9's.
  • Are you counting? If not, don't double A9v6. In the long run it's better to stand. There's only a 5/13 chance you'll keep your 20 or improve it, and an 8/13 chance you'll end up with a worse hand.
  • Good thread! So just to clarify...

    I am counting 6D using K.O. ... the indexies for that game say to double on 10 vs. dealers 11 and 10 vs. dealers 10 on +4 or better. So I guess the A,9 would be included when using those departures?
  • Wouldn't DD on A9 be the same as splitting 10s? You'd end up with the same amount of money on the table. does KO call for splitting 10s at that juncture? If not,I don't think it calls for your move.
  • double A-8 vs 6

    when there is five more babies than pic on the table

    but not A-9
  • NYB said:
    Wouldn't DD on A9 be the same as splitting 10s? You'd end up with the same amount of money on the table. does KO call for splitting 10s at that juncture? If not,I don't think it calls for your move.



    Yes the correct BS is to stand. Its a 20. ...or its a ten you can double vs a 6. BS also says to double a 10 vs 6 so as Clint Eastwood once said in Dirty Harry ....do you feel lucky....PUNK!:D I had a good count at the time too as witnesssed by the 2 tens that followed. So it was not a VOOOODOOO feeling I had either. But in in my opinion the Ace-9 vs 6 is a gutsy double if you believe the count is favourable:) VS a 4 and lower I would leave it alone.
  • I've met plenty of pit/dealers that don't know squat about BS. They grumbel about my hitting A-7 against 9,10 or A, as though that is a stupid play, when it is pure BS. Doubling A9 vs anything is a risk, since you have a higher probability of hurting the hand than helping it. But when you know there are excess 10's, it is a good play. But if you are getting any attention from the pit, I'd avoid it because it is somewhat obvious when you get a 10, the dealer turns over a 10, and hits with a 10 and busts... Even a non "rain-man" might notice that...
  • Yep, I agree with all your posts. Again, I am asking about this in regards to if the COUNT is favorable not BS. Stainless Steel Rat answered my question by answering: Yes there are certain instances but it attracts unwanted attention. I just don't understand why one would think it is a bad/risky move assuming you know the count is favorable. I guess that move in Vegas would attract alot of attention. I don't even think they would care if you do it in A.C.
  • i_dream_of_Jaynie3367 said:
    I guess that move in Vegas would attract alot of attention. I don't even think they would care if you do it in A.C.



    Can you translate A.C. for this dummy please :D thnx. I play at a charity casino and here the table max is $100. minimums are $10-25 depending on the night. So we don't attract much attention as maybe you would playing higher limit tables
  • A.C. = Atlantic City, the city of mostly poor blackjack games. :)

    The risk is in getting detected as a card counter. Here's the gist. If you do things that attracts the dealer's or pit's attention enough, they will begin to wonder. First thing you know, the "EITS" folks are going back over your last hour's play using some computer software that will recognize the fact that your bets are tracking the count, and that your index variations are also tracking the count. And zappo, you are history there as they will tell you no more blackjack. Or if in AC, they will simply "short-shoe" you and only deal 1/2 the shoe so that counting won't work. Or they will "flat-bet" you so that you can't vary your bets enough to beat the game.

    Either way, once they've discovered you are counting, it is over. So you try to do things to not attract attention in the first place...
  • I'm not sure if the charity casino's here go to this extent. We have corporate casinos that may implement these tactics as their betting limits are higher and they have high limit rooms too. But a fast dealer is what can really make you work hard to keep up the score of the cards.
  • practice...

    do it enough and no dealer on the planet can make you lose the count, playing heads-up even. I run a speed drill using CVBJ every now and then, and it is possible to play over 600 rounds per hour (average one round every 6 seconds, including betting, splitting, doubling, playing decisions, payoffs and everything). You'll be amazed what the human mind can do with some practice... That's how some people count down a deck of cards in 10 seconds or less. practice and repetition...

    You really want to be able to play quickly. Not because a human dealer can not possibly deal 600 rounds an hour, but because if you are counting that quickly and accurately, you will have no problem carrying on a coversation, and looking like anything but a counter... Since just a glance here and there becomes enough to count what is showing.
  • moosehead;
    A simple question.
    Were you counting the cards and knew you were in a good situation,or do you simply assume you were,due to the fact that two tens followd your move?
  • NYB said:
    moosehead;
    A simple question.
    Were you counting the cards and knew you were in a good situation,or do you simply assume you were,due to the fact that two tens followd your move?



    There was no assumption. about 4 or 5 small cards were pulled and dealt by the time my turn came around so i had you would say a decent + count. My only fear was pulling the 10 for my double but perhaps leaving the dealer with a 4 or 5 next card and killing the rest of the table. I think that is why I got heck! :D.....BTW last night I had an A-8 combo dealt with a dealer 3 up. i did not not have a good idea of the count as I was playing purely for fun. But knowing a 3 is a bit more risk with it i laid off the double and held the 19. Dealer drew to 18.

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