• I just want to confirm what I think has already been addressed several times on this forum. Doesn’t a CSM nullify any chance for a player to win with any consistency, or raise the House advantage to the point that you should not play? I won’t play at a table with one and have walked out of casinos that only offer them. Am I too critical of them?
    Mike
  • CSM's do NOT raise the house edge. Consider that here in the NE Corner, CSM's employ 4 decks, S17, DOA, DAS, LS. Thats better than the 6 - 8 decks hand shuffled at the burn card. Counting at a CSM is useless for the most part, as penetration is effectively the cards dealt to the table. Thus a full table gets more penetration.

    You are playing off the top of the deck every hand, so the HA never varies too much. A player at 3rd base can see more cards b/4 making a decision. For that 1 hand a limited set of count indicies are possible, that can alter close plays. It is generally regarded that such situations do not allow a player advantage, thus its a "counter's nightmare". But some HA reduction does occur.

    This is identical to playng 21 on the internet.

    N&B
  • All i can tell you is this-playing at tables where csms are used hasn't affected my play at all,in fact i do real well at them. I don't count cards though. I use the positive progressive betting technique with quit points written of in Walter Thomasons' book 21st Century Blackjack. Good luck!
  • I have done good and bad on a csm. Once I sat down at a crowded table with a $5 chip and turned it into $450. Another trip, lost $250. You certainly move a lot faster, win or lose.
  • I too have used progressions at CSM's with some sucess. Not Walt's yet but "mine" a 1-2-3-3 repeat variant. Most CSM's here stay at $10 longer than their normal counterparts. When business picks up, a $10 spot at a CSM can still be found. Most regular tables are at $25.

    N&B
  • Thanks for the input, maybe if I had a better understanding of how they work and what their actually doing in there, I'd be more warm and fuzzy with them.
  • Nickels_n_Bullets said:
    Most CSM's here stay at $10 longer than their normal counterparts. When business picks up, a $10 spot at a CSM can still be found. Most regular tables are at $25.

    N&B


    N&B, are you speaking of CT? I didn't notice them last time at Mohegan or Foxwoods. But since I'm happy with progressions, I will try them next time. I can't see how they would negatively affect a progression, and it may be easier to find a seat at one. A few weeks ago, on a Saturday night, it was almost impossible to play anywhere at Mohegan!

    John
  • Only Mohegan has them in the 4 seasons casino. Of course, Sat nite the joints jumpin' ... no bargains. Weekdays and early afternoons easier on the wallet. I have played them, and they're not too bad for progressions.

    N&B

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