Bad Dealer or Cheating dealer?
  • I had only played a couple hands at a table with two other people. Then I decide to play two hands on a new shuffle when the other person left. The dealer skips over my second hand and doesn't deal to it. He deals out the cards I point out you skipped my one hand. He pushed my bet back and said just play this round one hand. I refused to play. He had the PB come over, it is pitch game so I don't know my cards in my one hand. I refuse to play they finally let me take both bets back. Guess what the dealer has?! a Blackjack. PB decides to let the guy next to me to void that hand also. He said if I am going to give him a break I will give you a break. I would have a blackjack if the dealer dealt the cards out correctly!! Couple hands later dealer has ten showing no blackjack according to machine. I decide to double down. The machine wasn't working to well, so the dealer ended up having a blackjack after all. He takes my original bet and DD bet. I point out to him what happened, then the guy next to me also said I should get my original bet back. The dealer complied after about 30 seconds of talking to him about the mistake. He doesn't even calling over the PB.In my expierences the dealer will still call the PB over before fixing the problem. First ten hands two problems. The next 25mins after the DD mix up no probelms rest of the time.
  • I was also more suspicious since a place earlier in the day I think I caught a dealer cheating.
  • Sounds more like a mistake to me. Playing this past weekend, dealer skipped over me once for no apparent reason. I pointed to my bet, he said "sorry, I missed it..." and we went on with no reason to raise a commotion. Mistakes are not that uncommon. First base had a 10+2, dealer dealt an 8, said "too many" and raked his bet and cards. I said "that wasn't a bust, she had 20." He pulled the three cards off the discard pile and sure enough, 20. He restored her bet, and then ended up paying her.

    I think they just get tired and their mind gets numb after a while. Cheating at shoes is very difficult. SD/DD is easier but if you know the "mechanic's grip" for dealing seconds, you are pretty safe. Of course there are other ways to cheat you, including the infamous "anchor man" approach with a shill player at the table. But at big casinos, I think the chances of this are near zero...
  • stainless steel rat said:
    Sounds more like a mistake to me. Playing this past weekend, dealer skipped over me once for no apparent reason. I pointed to my bet, he said "sorry, I missed it..." and we went on with no reason to raise a commotion. Mistakes are not that uncommon. First base had a 10+2, dealer dealt an 8, said "too many" and raked his bet and cards. I said "that wasn't a bust, she had 20." He pulled the three cards off the discard pile and sure enough, 20. He restored her bet, and then ended up paying her.

    I think they just get tired and their mind gets numb after a while. Cheating at shoes is very difficult. SD/DD is easier but if you know the "mechanic's grip" for dealing seconds, you are pretty safe. Of course there are other ways to cheat you, including the infamous "anchor man" approach with a shill player at the table. But at big casinos, I think the chances of this are near zero...


    Thank you, It was a small place. I was just more cautious after I think earlier in the day I caught a dealer dealing seconds with having two cards come out more than once.
  • "Mechanic's Grip" Definition: A right hand dealer holds the deck in his left hand, three fingers on the edge of the long side of the deck, and the index finger on the outer right corner. AKA---"Deuce Dealer" "Number Two Man"

    Cheers, Jim

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