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  • Was at the local Indian casino 2 times over the last month and watched something I had not seen before. After the shoe was finished and before the dealer put the cards into the ASM they took the cards from behind the cut card, the dealer put them in front of him divided the cards into 3 piles and then inserted them into the cards in the discard rack and then put all the cards into the ASM.I can only presume that they are doing this to make it harder to shuffel track? Is this the reason or is there some other reason? There did not seem to be any pattern in how they inserted the cards. Would be interested to know
  • Yeah! Funny you say that! I was watching shuffles this week in Atlantic City... 2 casinos I was in takes the remaining cards from the shoe and does the same thing! He takes the first pile and puts it in the bottom third of the discard stack, then the next pile goes somwhere in the middle of the discard stack, then the last pile goes somewhere in the top third. WTF is up with that?! HAHAHA!!! Insane!

    I am beginning to learn shuffle tracking.

    Does anyone know if by the dealer taking the remaing cards from the shoe and doing that if that then makes shuffle tracking no longer possible?

    I would assume you can still track the cards but you better be paying very much attention while you do it.

    So, trackable or not trackable?

    Thank you for posting and bringing that up.


    PS - Talk about shuffle tracking paranoia... one other casino had ASM's on all the 8D games. Booooooooooooooo!
  • How do you shuffle track against a ASM?

    ihate17
  • ihate17 said:
    How do you shuffle track against a ASM?

    ihate17


    My fault I did not clarify. The 2 games I watched in AC were hand shuffled with no ASM. Where as the first posters casino had ASM.

    My question is:

    In hand shuffled shoe games are games in which the dealer takes the remaining cards in the shoe and split them in 3 then inserts them into 3 different spots in the discard tray, are they still trackable?
  • i_dream_of_Jaynie3367 said:
    My fault I did not clarify. The 2 games I watched in AC were hand shuffled with no ASM. Where as the first posters casino had ASM.

    My question is:

    In hand shuffled shoe games are games in which the dealer takes the remaining cards in the shoe and split them in 3 then inserts them into 3 different spots in the discard tray, are they still trackable?



    That is called "plugging" and yes they are still trackable. But it makes it more difficult since that big slug of cards is now three smaller slugs and have to be tracked individually...

    "plugging" is not the big problem for tracking, it is how the decks are shuffled. And there are certainly shuffles that can not be tracked at all, but they slow the game down. I played in one shoe game in Tunica where the dealer appeared to be tired, and he simply placed the undealt cards on top of the discard tray, broke it into two piles, did one riffle and we were playing again. That was about as easy to track as you can get...

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