What are the rules in Las Vegas?
  • I was just curious what the rules in Las Vegas where for single deck blackjack? Does las vegas allow you to double on any two cards and pay 3 to 2 on blackjack?
  • Rules vary from casino to casino,and often table to table within the same casino.Most SD games on the strip(if not all of them) are 6-5, double anything.Downtown,and off-strip, you'll find a good bit of SD that pays 3-2.Almost every casino allows double down on any number.
    Then you have tourists traps like Hooters that pay 6/5 on their shoe games,or the Bikini Pit at The Rio that pays even money on BJ.
  • I was there last weekend and saw only 6:5 single-deck games. I did not make it downtown to seek out the 3:2 game.

    I could not find any S17 games on the strip, but the Hilton LV does offer surrender.
  • Knox said:
    I was there last weekend and saw only 6:5 single-deck games. I did not make it downtown to seek out the 3:2 game.

    I could not find any S17 games on the strip, but the Hilton LV does offer surrender.


    The only 3/2 single deck games in Vegas are downtown.

    The strip is loaded with 6 deck shoes where the dealer stays on soft 17 but most of them come with a $25 minimum. Only MGM, Monte Carlo and Mandalay Bay offer S-17 with $10-$15 minimums but they will raise them if they are busy. A few other casinos where you can find S-17 for $25, Tropicana, Wynn, Hilton, Mirage, Venetian, Slots A Fun ($5 minimum****)Ballys, Caesars and probably a few others.

    Only double deck game with S-17 and a low minimum can be found at Slots A Fun.

    At many of these casinos, especially the larger ones, the worst blackjack games are always nearest the main door, while the better games are towards the back, often near the cage. MGM for instance, if you enter near the Lions, you will find the two S-17 pits once you pass the cage.

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  • Thanks for the tips. I will have to keep that Slots of Fun place in mind! I found the Hilton game to be beatable, but on the last evening I probably camped out there for too long.
  • Knox said:
    Thanks for the tips. I will have to keep that Slots of Fun place in mind! I found the Hilton game to be beatable, but on the last evening I probably camped out there for too long.



    Swing shift at Slots of Fun-look for a dealer who looks like Chuck Berry,think his name is Charles. Most entertaining dealer in Vegas,and he deals a very deep DD game,if the tokes are right.
  • A 6 to 5 game is horrible game and it is even worse than playing on a shoe or a single deck game that allows doubling on 10-11 only. Are there any games that allow to double on any two cards double after a split and pay 3 to 2.
  • learningtocount said:
    A 6 to 5 game is horrible game and it is even worse than playing on a shoe or a single deck game that allows doubling on 10-11 only. Are there any games that allow to double on any two cards double after a split and pay 3 to 2.


    I agree that 6:5 is a bad game, although I saw worse in Tunica. They were only playing 3:2 when the blackjack was same suited, the rest were even money. That comes out to 9:8 by my math.

    Even money for blackjack cost the player 2.32%, which is huge. Take a single deck game with unfavorable rules such as H17, No DAS, Double 10-11 only. The dealer has a 0.43% advantage in that game. Now factor in that you only get 40% of the 3:2 blackjack payout (1-40%=60%*2.32%) which costs you 1.39%. So you are at a 1.82% disadvantage without counting. This is a very bad game. You might make up 1.5% (ranging bets from 1-5) to 2% (1-10 bet range) counting in a single deck game.

    So in a best case you could have about a 0.2% advantage in that game if you range bets from 1-10. So on the first hand you bet $5. The count goes favorable and you bet $50 on the second hand. Then the dealer shuffles, or if your lucky deals one more hand. Then you are back at $5. Then $50. This sounds like a good way to get kicked out to me. However, the KO betting system does allow for some graduation of bets based on your advantage, which would give some cover.

    Now if you can get favorable rules such as S17, DAS, double any two cards you gain 0.58% and actually have a favorable expectation of 0.15% against one deck. You will be lucky to find this game anywhere in the country. But at 6:5 you are at a -1.14% advantage, so the game is playable with a positive expectation without going 1-10. You could range from $5-$40 and do OK, especially if you played alone or with few other players.

    I am going to Belterra, IN next week and they actually had the 3:2 S17, DAS, double any two cards game in 2003. I doubt they have it anymore, surely they caught on. That game is easily beatable with a 1-5 spread. Wish me luck!

    Bottom line: do your homework and make sure the single-deck game has favorable rules if the blackjack does not pay 3:2. If not, you might be better off in a 6-deck shoe game.
  • In 6 to 5 blackjack are you allowed to hit an ace-5 after splitting?
  • learningtocount said:
    In 6 to 5 blackjack are you allowed to hit an ace-5 after splitting?


    One card per ace is all you get on the split. Some games limit what you can double on, others might not permit double after split. Basically a horrible game, only playable when the dealer flashes the hole card.

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