NYB said:A dedicated comp-counter can burn a casino for much more than most card counters.It is way to easy to get many times more comps than you have earned,with a little skill and a good bit of chutzbah.Mindplay is supposed to eliminate much of that.
I've heard from a good many card-counters that they can beat the mindplay,haven't heard any comp counter make that claim.And I think there are a hellofalot more comp counters(comp abusers) than successful card counters out there.
If mindplay never caught a card counter but correctly gave everyone their earned comps,it would be a huge gain for the casinos.
The bottom line on comps is that pit bosses are often way more generous than they should be,and on the opposite end are the completely stingy who tend to really piss players off.Neither is giving the casino its money's worth.
chxplay said:Stainless Steel Rat,
A few months ago I read a post dealing with ways to manipulate RFID's to gain advantages with comps. Was that you, by chance? Also, what is the reason for Mindplay losing favor with casinos?
chxplay said:Stainless Steel Rat,
A few months ago I read a post dealing with ways to manipulate RFID's to gain advantages with comps. Was that you, by chance? Also, what is the reason for Mindplay losing favor with casinos?
ihate17 said:Mindplay losing favor with casinos is because the manufacturer sold the casinos something that just does not do what they told the casinos it would do.
Instead of increasing profits it has reduced them.
It did not reduce staff because it was always breaking down.
It dealt less hands per hour reducing profits.
It may have reduced comps
It did nothing to prevent good counters or team play.
So it lost favor because the thing just is a waste of money.
ihate17
jimpenn said:SSR...I have a question for you. How should the discards from a six or eight deck game be distributed into the discard tray? For example, in a 8 deck game if two decks are the cutoff point should they be insurted say four places or do they get placed directly on top of cards played? Is it the casion's decision or is there an actual gaming commission procedure?
I hope I explained this correctly...not sure. I have always noticed casinos breaking down the last two decks and inserting them in four different parts of the discards. Recently on a trip to the midwest I noticed that two of the three casinos I visited put them directly on top (all) and then began to shuffle. What actually is the proper way?
Thanks SSR for any information. In additon, is it legal for casinos to use Shills in their operations?
Appreciate your input.
-jp]
stainless steel rat said:It was actually pretty good at catching the usual counter plays, as it could correlate bets and counts with high accuracy. Unfortunately, for the casinos, it did not understand the issue of playing multiple spots, where you could make idiotic plays on one spot and it would not realize that you played perfectly on one spot and randomly on the second... (plays like doubling for less, insuring for less, raising bet as count falls (small bets are raised on the small spot, the "big spot" gets played properly).
APs are tricky and if there is a flaw, they'll find it. They found it in CSMs, they found it in mindplay, they found it in RFID, they found it in shuffle methods. They will find a weakness if it exists, or they may even force the casino into a weakness and then exploit it. :)
Grifter said:SSR - My bad, I misread it..........G.
learningtocount said:Their is no gaming comision proceeder on how to put the cards in the discard tray. The casinos them self set the proceeder. My casino makes me plug if I'm on the low tech game with just a flashing light but I put them straight on top if I'm on the mind play machine. Besides shuffle tracking on a six deck shoe is impossible because you have 6 ace of spades 6 5 of clubs and so on plus not to mention that you get a whole new set of cards when the dealer pulls them out of the shuffle machine. Their are 312! ways that a six deck shoe can be shuffled thats 312*311*310 and so on all the way down to 1 thats a number so big that it has 1 with more than 99 zeros or trillions and trillions of ways that a 6 deck shoe can be shuffled. Shuffle tracking is possible but only on a single deck game where the dealer hand shuffles and uses the same deck every time. Shuffle tracking is done by relating one card to another you can't do that if you have more than one of the exact same card and have no way of distinguishing it. You relate where a 9 of diamonds is to that ace of clubs. Why do I mention the suit? So you can distinguish one card from another because the ace of spades might be next to the 7 of clubs.
learningtocount said:Their is no gaming comision proceeder on how to put the cards in the discard tray. The casinos them self set the proceeder. My casino makes me plug if I'm on the low tech game with just a flashing light but I put them straight on top if I'm on the mind play machine. Besides shuffle tracking on a six deck shoe is impossible because you have 6 ace of spades 6 5 of clubs and so on plus not to mention that you get a whole new set of cards when the dealer pulls them out of the shuffle machine. Their are 312! ways that a six deck shoe can be shuffled thats 312*311*310 and so on all the way down to 1 thats a number so big that it has 1 with more than 99 zeros or trillions and trillions of ways that a 6 deck shoe can be shuffled. Shuffle tracking is possible but only on a single deck game where the dealer hand shuffles and uses the same deck every time. Shuffle tracking is done by relating one card to another you can't do that if you have more than one of the exact same card and have no way of distinguishing it. You relate where a 9 of diamonds is to that ace of clubs. Why do I mention the suit? So you can distinguish one card from another because the ace of spades might be next to the 7 of clubs.
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