KISS III 5,000 hands
  • I played and recorded the results for 5080 hands. (5 K plus splits)
    I do not keep track of pushes.
    I used 6 decks and the same rules used by the casino, that I go to the most. H-17 DA DAS RSA
    Bets were from $5 to $50.
    Results per 1 K hands :
    (1) 1012 hands 498/514 = 49.02% Won $595.
    (2) 1011 hands 483/528 = 47.77% Won $735
    (3) 1015 hands 490/525 = 48.27% Won $740
    (4) 1022 hands 485/537 = 47.45% Won $235
    (5) 1020 hands 489/531 = 47.94% Won $475

    Total for 1080 hands 2445/2635 = 48.12% Won $2,780.00
  • Midnite would the number of pushs have put the win loss ratios more toward the ratio that has been cited for playing perfect basic stratagy, ie 43% or so win rate?
  • Doc- the figure I use for the norm, without pushes is 47.50%.
    5,000 hands may be a drop in the bucket, when you can run millions of hands on a computer, in minutes. In 100 hands anything can happen. I had highs of 61/100 (won 61 hands out of 100)& 58/100 and lows of 38/100 & 39/100. I also had a stretch, where I lost 11 out of 12, big bets.
  • Midnite, how would you say KISS III compares in ease of counting to Hi-Lo or other systems?
  • Desert Dog- I think it is easier, as you don't use plus / minus, or a true count conversion. Like when the count is +4 and the pit boss comes up and ask where you are from and at the same time, the cocktail waitress ask if you want a drink ? Now you wonder, was that plus 4 or minus 4 ? Much easier to remember 14 ...
  • There seems to be as many counting systems as there are progressions! Where can I go to learn this kiss 111 system and is it fairly easy to master?
  • JC and all. Don't take my results to be the "normal" return. They are Very high, but that is what I got. I have limited counting experience and others are better qualifyed, to answer your counting questions. You can read about Kiss I, II, & III in Blackjack Bluebook II by Fred Renezy.
  • MIDNIGHT: Your 5000 hand KISS yield was unusually positive. Spreading $5 to $50, your "average" bet should've been around $11, your total action about $63,000 counting doubles/splits and at +0.70% your net win should've been around $450.
    This result was about 1.8 standard deviations to the positive side and should occur only about 4% of the time. Mathematically, it would've been just as likely to lose $1870.
  • Renezy- Thanks. I knew it was high, but not how high, until Grifter also pointed it out. In last nights play (pratice) I lost $525 in One shoe. It included this hand. I had a high Kiss III count of 35 and stayed with 9-4 against the dealers 2. I then watched the dealer (me) draw a Seven card 21. (2-4-A-5-3-A-5)
  • midnite said:
    Renezy- Thanks. I knew it was high, but not how high, until Grifter also pointed it out. In last nights play (pratice) I lost $525 in One shoe. It included this hand. I had a high Kiss III count of 35 and stayed with 9-4 against the dealers 2. I then watched the dealer (me) draw a Seven card 21. (2-4-A-5-3-A-5)


    Midnite -- At a count of 35 I'm surprised there were that many low cards left! :shock: I've only seen the count hit the 30's really close to the cut card. How far along in the shoe was this? When this happens the richest part of the shoe is probably BEHIND the cut card.

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