Blackjack Success, Long Term?
  • Hey everyone,

    I actually signed up for this forum after finding some good material on subjects when I was googling. I actually am inbetween a rock and a hard spot. I never really wondering if I'm 'different' than the average blackjack player because I never really compared myself aside other long-time blackjack players. I'll give a brief history, and I want to know who else has experienced this. And trust me, the numbers won't seem glamorous, but I'm being totally honest:

    My first 11 times stepping into a casino, I won. I didn't win much, I used to stop at 100-125 dollars on a 10 dollar table with a 40-hand bank. I had a rough day where I had hit my goal, didn't leave, and I ended up having an epic collapse which led to losing a lot of the money I had won.

    I waited quite some time, and started devising a system. It was basic strategy, but without doubling down on something unless I was up. Don't get me wrong, I'd double if they're showing a bust card and I have a 10 or 11, but I wouldn't double on an 11 when they're showing a 9 or even an 8. I was always playing it safe. Anyhow, I figured it had a lot to do with self-control, and I won 16 times in a row, before I had another really harsh collapse. It was the one time where I ended up getting really drunk and going with some friends, and long story short, I lost a big chunk, but I was still up. I ended up extending my record to 23-1, before my dog was really sick and I had to put up money for his surgery, tests, and stay (virtually cleaned out my bankroll of 2000 dollars). Everytime I would win, I'd re-invest 1/2 into the bankroll and I'd just raise the average hands I was playing, and in essence I would raise the winnings.

    Ever since then, I've had a really tough time gambling. I notice I've been following this certain streak, and I want to see how common it is: Start with a moderate amount of money...usually 300-400 dollars, playing at a 10 dollar table. I'll win maybe 4 or 5 in a row, and then I'll just have a day where although my system works, I don't leave, and those days end up turning into the worst losses. Usually, oddly enough, I'm up my goal within the first hour.

    So, the confidence level that I once had slowly has diminished, and I didn't feel comfortable playing there. I knew I lacked self-control. I started playing online, I put in 50 dollars, I would log on once a day, I'd win 2-3 hands playing double the average hand when I'm up, and I'd log out. I turned that 50 into 800, cashed it out, went to the casino, won 6 straight 250+ dollar wins, and had another epic mental breakdown when I was up my goal within the first 10 minutes, ended up losing it all. The thing is, when I'm losing, I've already won my money back the first 4-5 straight wins. It puts me in a bind because I don't know if I'm thinking rational, or I'm just sick in the head.

    Anyhow, I went back to the internet casino, and I've currently won 12 days in a row. My overall record there is 40-6, and I won my first 22 times, then once I cashed out the 800 I just kinda got lazy with it. I've always had a chance to win though. I think to myself: If the system seems to work over the internet, and the confidence level is there.....can't the same thing happen in the real casino? I plan on getting this bankroll over the internet up to a decent amount and making a trip back to the casino. I haven't been there in a few months, and I wanted to get some input.

    I'm wondering a couple of things: These winning streaks I've had....are they normal? Has anyone else experienced them? If not, I'll be more than happy to give my advice out, because I want to see how it works with other people. I need to know. I used to feel like I could never lose at the casino, and I was going every single day, an hour and 1/2 drive...I would win every single time. The times I lost were just bad situations I put myself in...like going early in the morning when I knew later that night around midnight I was going up with some friends. I got caught in the middle of a grindout and I had to leave, so later that night when I was up my goal it wasn't nearly enough to make me happy. I feel pretty dismal, but my friends and family have told me these runs are ridiculous, and I'm onto something.

    I DO realize when you win you're a pro, and when you lose you're an addict though. I just don't know how common these winning streaks are.

    - Morrotho (I'm 25 by the way. I've been gambling since 22).
  • These winning streaks you've had are about as normal as the losing streaks you never had. But trust me, it will come. I have ben playing professionally for well over 12 years now, on my own and with organized teams. And yes, I've had my days of invincibility to losses as well as my days of very rough times at the tables. But as the probability of card counting will tell you, I still win, a lot, over-all. Everything in the game is statistics. Luck is on your side now and for the past years. I suggest you save up for the rainy day and take caution playing. But I would suggest you learn very well a good counting system to back up that luck of yours. You see, luck runs out but skill does not. In the end, if you play with control, you will win more than you will lose, in terms of financial numbers. But do double down. It's a money making chance you have in the game. Goodluck.
  • So, statistically speaking...there's a .5% house advantage without counting. Long-term, that says they'll win if you don't count. Let me ask a serious question I've been pondering:

    ANY single time I've ever been at the casino, I've been up at least 2 hands. Even on my worst losses. Even with that .5% chance that the house has, don't you think the edge would shift in favor of the player if he left after 2 hands? I know most people don't sit down, win their first two hands and leave, but that's how I would do it, especially online. If you're playing with a 2,000 dollar bank, and 50 dollar hands, 100 when you're even or up, and get up 2 hands...that's an easy 200 dollars. Most of the time it'll be very quick.

    It's how I work my system, and I seriously can't remember a time where I wasn't up at least 2 hands. I mean, even in an 11-hour grindout after being down all day, I was at least up 2 hands....do you think that shifts the miniscule house advantage?

    Thanks for the reponses in advance, I appreciate all of this so much.

    - Morrotho
  • Will the cards know that you are playing your first hand? Or that you've stayed for a third hand instead of leaving after two? So what is the difference?
  • wow, ive had some 4 day streaks, but nothing like that. please do share =) and online betting sucks for me, ive done nothing but lose, lose and lose. What site do you go to?
  • Okay, this is my strategy. This has a lot to do with self-control, and experience. I say experience, because the 2nd grindout you encounter is twice as easy when you've already hurdled one of them previously. Here's how I look at it:

    Firstly, it's all probability. With a .5% chance using basic strategy, you can certainly win. Counting cards to me, is a lot of work for a 1% advantage. Like, play single units based on a 35-40 hand bankroll. If you get a 'feeling', make sure that feeling is when you've got at least 1/2 of your bankroll left. Double-down if you want to, but I don't double down on 8,9,10 when I have 11, because probability shows I have a better chance just hitting. People say 'you'll make your money', but if you have self-control, you'll make your money anyways.

    Secondly, pick a goal, and have the goal be no more than 4 hands. I know this sounds weird, but to be honest, my goal is only 3 hands. I play double when I'm even or up, and if you're going to walk away a winner, you'll win anyways...might as well be playing double the hands while you're in the plus. So, for example....I bring 350 dollars to play at a 10 dollar table. I start out, bet 20, lose it....I end up losing....I keep playing 10 dollar hands, and just tough it out. I've had NUMEROUS times where I was down 27-30 hands, but because I had brought so much to play with, it's only a matter of time before that probability shifts in your favor. The thing is, when I was down 27-30 hands, my goal was higher, so I usually brought 40-50 hands. The reason I lowered my goal was because I used that system online and it worked brilliantly.

    When that goal hits, get out. It's rough to do, but if you go and leave at your goal the first 4 times, it'll only get easier. Then, as you win keep adding to your bankroll, so the average hands and the win-amount increases.

    It's nothing special, no sugar-coating, but it works. When I played online I won 22 or 23 in a row...I played once a day, no matter what. I usually scheduled it for later in the evening so I had something to look forward to. Most of the time sessions were 3-5 minutes, but I stopped with a smile on my face. Even online, the only time I've ever lost is when I had already been up my goal, and I wanted to get fancy. There's a reason you don't get comp'd generously on blackjack, but you do on the slots. Between alcohol, addicted gamblers, and people sitting down at the table that don't know how to play, the casino turns that .5% into something like a 10% house advantage.

    Also, I know this sounds sick but I gave 20% to the church, and the ONE day it all ended on my best run ever, I ended up skipping Good Friday Mass, and went to the casino. I can't remember if I was up my goal or not, but because of the current mindstate I was in (guilt, shame), I ended up buckling before half of my bankroll was eliminated.


    - Morrotho
  • NYB said:
    Will the cards know that you are playing your first hand? Or that you've stayed for a third hand instead of leaving after two? So what is the difference?


    When I said this, I meant 2 hands overall. I've sat down, gotten down 25 hands in a matter of 4 hours, but a one point during that day I've climbed back to even, and then up two hands. Sure, the cards don't know if it's your first hand or 2nd, etc....but overall, if you play with a bankroll that provides 35-40 hands, and play level-headed when you're down, like a calculator, then you'll get a chance to be up 2 hands at some point before you're down 40 hands. I've been to the casino probably 80-90 times, only playing blackjack, playing my system, and I've never ever had a day where I wasn't up 2 hands. I've had a day where I was down for 7-8 hours, and luck turned in my favor in a mere 45 minutes....I had that chance at leaving up 2 hands.
  • morrotho said:Between alcohol, addicted gamblers, and people sitting down at the table that don't know how to play, the casino turns that .5% into something like a 10% house advantage.

    Yeah, like people who don’t double down at the right time and raise their bets based on gut feelings. They’re giving away more money by raising their bets randomly and not playing properly. Not only is the house edge higher because of their mistakes, but their losses are higher because they are putting more money at risk and losing it faster.

    I’m not trying to be rude here. I’m just trying to point out the problems with your system. Setting limits doesn’t work. It has been mathematically proven, and it just doesn’t make sense either. You can’t beat the house edge just by walking away from the table randomly. You are just as likely to lose your money back when you start playing again. Your entire life is one big session. All of your little sessions will add up to one big session so it doesn’t matter when you leave the tables. You can’t escape the house edge by playing at random times or raising your bet at random times.

    You’ve been lucky so far. If you want to keep gambling that’s fine, just don’t expect to win. The house still has the advantage over you. Your lucky streaks will be overcome by unlucky streaks and the house will grind you down just like every other gambler. You can’t just rely on luck and hope that everything will work out, especially not when it comes to money.

    Trust me, you aren’t doing anything special that every other gambler in the world isn’t doing too. They will all end up broke and there’s no reason to think that you are any different than them. Like I said, I’m not trying to be rude here, just honest. I don’t want you to fall into the same trap that all other gamblers fall into. They have a “foolproof” system that they think will always work, but it never seems to end up that way. Be careful with your money. Do a little more research before you start investing too much in anything.

    -Sonny-

  • Many players, perhaps most often newer players, when they have a period of positive variance, winning session after session, not only feel invincible but look at the patterns that they detected in their play and think this is a way to riches.
    These are simply an emotional response to good fortune and those patterns and feelings really mean nothing because their is no cosmic guiding force in blackjack, just cold hard math.

    Since this thread is Blackjack Success Long Term, long term success can only be found through advantage play.

    ihate17
  • Well, is 22 wins in a row, and 16 wins in a row 'luck'? I could understand if it was under 10...but one of the blackjack dealers told me in his whole life he's never heard of someone winning that much. Obviously I know none of you, and I wouldn't try to impress anyone because no one knows who I am, but I think that if you notice a pattern, stick to it, and win a lot in a row something has to be going right.

    As for doubling down: It's statistically proven that if you double-down while you're hovering at even or up, but play cautious when you're down, you're giving yourself a better shot. IE the extra card.

    What's the most consecutive days you've won in a row? Anyone, for that matter....because I look back at that casino run like it was my golden age, but if it's a normal thing, then maybe I'm just a normal gambler. I didn't even make that much compared to some people....but I had a system and it worked every single time I've went and played, even when I lost. When I lost it was just pure greed and not able to leave the table.

    If my system didn't work even ONCE out of all the times I've went to that casino, I would have thrown the towel in. It'd be better to lose to pure 'bad luck' now as opposed to later down the road, when the magnitude of the loss will hit me much harder.

    Reply, please.
  • morrotho said:
    Well, is 22 wins in a row, and 16 wins in a row 'luck'? I could understand if it was under 10...but one of the blackjack dealers told me in his whole life he's never heard of someone winning that much. Obviously I know none of you, and I wouldn't try to impress anyone because no one knows who I am, but I think that if you notice a pattern, stick to it, and win a lot in a row something has to be going right.

    As for doubling down: It's statistically proven that if you double-down while you're hovering at even or up, but play cautious when you're down, you're giving yourself a better shot. IE the extra card.

    What's the most consecutive days you've won in a row? Anyone, for that matter....because I look back at that casino run like it was my golden age, but if it's a normal thing, then maybe I'm just a normal gambler. I didn't even make that much compared to some people....but I had a system and it worked every single time I've went and played, even when I lost. When I lost it was just pure greed and not able to leave the table.

    If my system didn't work even ONCE out of all the times I've went to that casino, I would have thrown the towel in. It'd be better to lose to pure 'bad luck' now as opposed to later down the road, when the magnitude of the loss will hit me much harder.

    Reply, please.


    You are overlooking the nature of randomness. If you flip a coin 1 million times, would you be surprised if you flipped heads 16 times in a row? In fact, you should be surprised if you _don't_ flip heads 16 (or more) times in a row. So yes, what you experienced was just good luck. Just like the bad luck someone else experiences by playing the same way. But, as the name implies, this is about _luck_. And the more times you expose yourself, the greater the chance you are going to lose more than you win. Even with a pair of dice, you can roll boxcars on the first roll. But you are not going to roll 'em more than about once every 36 rolls over the long haul, regardless of whether you rolled them the first time or not...

    And yes, quitting when ahead will see you go home a winner more times that a loser. But when you add up the dollars, over all the sessions, you are going to win more sessions, but lose more dollars. Personally, I care only about how much I win or lose, not how many times I leave a table ahead versus being behind. And when you count winnings/losses, you are going to have more of the latter than the former until you jump into some sort of advantage play that swings that house edge in your favor.
  • I see what you mean, but I haven't been the the casino a million times. I've been there somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 times, and I've seen two occurances where I didn't reach my goal, but at the same time, I didn't stick around long enough to let the tide turn. My biggest problem is just self-control and confidence. On another note, I mark wins and losses, but also money totals. When I'm down on the casino, it's not going to come after a huge loss...it'd have to come after a long string of huge losses, and I would probably stop if I lost 3 times in a row.

    You have to remember, when I go to the casino with 1000 dollars, it's just 50 dollars of my own money, that I started with over the 'net. The greatest thing about the internet casinos is the ability to play dollar hands, and progressively build a bankroll. My only problem is that it takes so long to get the money it seems.

    So, I can see your point though. Over the internet casino I'm 43-4, and out of the 4 losses there was one time where I just lost straight up, the other three I didn't leave at my goal. I'm just saying...adding up my casino trips where the system has worked, roughly 75/80 times (rough estimate), and the internet casino (46/47)....I'd flip that coin any day of the week....I think what people are overlooking is that the money I bring to the casino in the first place is coming from the online casino, and I really can't remember when the last time I lost was.....

    ...my problem is that the mental breakdowns occur within the environment, but every single account i create for the casinos gets blocked. I need to have friends create new accounts from other computers and use visa gift cards just to play.....if there was a way I knew I'd get paid 110% of the time off of online, I'd never waste the total 3 hours driving time to hit the real casino. I think what I should have asked when I started this thread is "Does anyone have any advice for self-control?" I know it's just a simple answer, but if there's some mechanism or technique I can use, I would never lose in the casino.

    If I felt the need to count cards, I would. I actually bought the book 'blackjack blueprint' and tried learning from the online java program, but then I figured it was useless since the only reasons I'm losing is due to inability to regulate self-control.
    I just need some type of advice or experiences with things that have worked for people. Hell, maybe I just need a drink to loosen up when I walk in there...I can be something simple....but, bad luck has hit me in a combined 6/121 casino sessions, and even then I pretty much buckled, or only brought 20 hands as a bankroll to play with (financial strain, was pretty much looking for some blind luck)
  • morrotho said:
    I see what you mean, but I haven't been the the casino a million times. I've been there somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 times, and I've seen two occurances where I didn't reach my goal, but at the same time, I didn't stick around long enough to let the tide turn. My biggest problem is just self-control and confidence. On another note, I mark wins and losses, but also money totals. When I'm down on the casino, it's not going to come after a huge loss...it'd have to come after a long string of huge losses, and I would probably stop if I lost 3 times in a row.

    You have to remember, when I go to the casino with 1000 dollars, it's just 50 dollars of my own money, that I started with over the 'net. The greatest thing about the internet casinos is the ability to play dollar hands, and progressively build a bankroll. My only problem is that it takes so long to get the money it seems.

    So, I can see your point though. Over the internet casino I'm 43-4, and out of the 4 losses there was one time where I just lost straight up, the other three I didn't leave at my goal. I'm just saying...adding up my casino trips where the system has worked, roughly 75/80 times (rough estimate), and the internet casino (46/47)....I'd flip that coin any day of the week....I think what people are overlooking is that the money I bring to the casino in the first place is coming from the online casino, and I really can't remember when the last time I lost was.....

    ...my problem is that the mental breakdowns occur within the environment, but every single account i create for the casinos gets blocked. I need to have friends create new accounts from other computers and use visa gift cards just to play.....if there was a way I knew I'd get paid 110% of the time off of online, I'd never waste the total 3 hours driving time to hit the real casino. I think what I should have asked when I started this thread is "Does anyone have any advice for self-control?" I know it's just a simple answer, but if there's some mechanism or technique I can use, I would never lose in the casino.

    If I felt the need to count cards, I would. I actually bought the book 'blackjack blueprint' and tried learning from the online java program, but then I figured it was useless since the only reasons I'm losing is due to inability to regulate self-control.
    I just need some type of advice or experiences with things that have worked for people. Hell, maybe I just need a drink to loosen up when I walk in there...I can be something simple....but, bad luck has hit me in a combined 6/121 casino sessions, and even then I pretty much buckled, or only brought 20 hands as a bankroll to play with (financial strain, was pretty much looking for some blind luck)


    I would only suggest the following: If you have actually played 21 80 times or more, and you have only had two losing sessions, then one of the following is true:

    (1) Your winning sessions were tiny wins while your losing sessions were huge losses, so that total winnings is less than total losses;

    (2) Your bookkeeping leaves something to be desired and you are not accurately tracking your wins and losses;

    (3) you are way out on the right tail of the normal distribution and have simply been _incredibly_ lucky.

    As far as beating online casinos go, the only way you are going to do that is through bonus-hustling. The games are poor, the house edge is high, and you can not count cards to beat them because they generally "shuffle" (electronically) after each round.

    If you are really ahead, you ought to quit while you are. The statistics do not lie, and there is no way to circumvent them. The house edge is the actual house edge. You can't possibly continue to flip heads two of every three times for much longer.

    Stopping after losses makes no sense, because when you come back, you do not "start over", you are just playing the next hand. The odds and results will be the same whether you play 100 hands in a row, or play 1 hand per day for 100 days... there is absolutely no difference with respect to the house winning or losing.
  • Yeah, my wins weren't anything to ride home about. I would win 250 dollars with a 2000 dollar bank. The thing is, I'd only lose my bank. So, the most I've ever lost was 2000, but by that time I was still up on the casino roughly 6 grand. I know losses come, definitely...but as long as I'm still up triple my bankroll after a loss, I'm doing alright.

    I wait after a loss because I refresh my mind. There's a statistic that doesn't lie about people having a chance to be up in blackjack. Just like the statistic that the dealer wins the first hand 80-something percent of the time, and the 2nd hand 68% of the time....people who sit down and play blackjack, who play with at least a 25 hand bank....have a 90% chance of getting ahead at one point in time.

    Sure, the house advantage is mathematical, but you're forgetting something...if you only press your bets when you're hovering close to even, or you're up....and you're experienced enough to know when you're getting hot, it totally makes the .5% house advantage irrelevant....just think....how many times have you been down for hours and hours, and within 10 minutes you're ahead? Because you're experienced and you pressed at the appropriate times.

    My average losses are are 8 X my average wins, but by the time I lose usually I'm up about 20+ wins....so it's rough, but I'm still up healthy. It's not too hard to get up 2 hands in a casino if you're playing like a calculator with a 35-40 hand bankroll. I'm not 'throwing' this idea out here....it's worked for the last 3 years for me.

    Before I started another casino run, I just wanted to see if I was just like every other gambler with my past experiences, or if I was different. I'm getting my answers slowly but surely, and it's helping boost my confidence, so I thank everyone for all of the well-thought out replies.

    I think mathematically speaking the house DOES have that .5% of an edge...but pressing bets totally changes the game. I'm not talking about winning X amount of dollars....I'm talking about pressing only when the time is appropriate, and getting up 2 hands. Playing like a calculator is the toughest part....but math has nothing to do with pressing bets, especially when the goal is so small and so easy to obtain.....2000 dollars to win 200-250....the chances are great, of that.

    As for the blackjack online....I've had grindouts where I've played over 2.5 hours of straight hands, actually I had that happen this week....I still ended up winning. I consider those potential loss days, but my rule of thumb is that I don't leave until I'm down my very last hand, playing 1 unit when I'm down, and playing like a calculator and using Basic Strategy.


    Try it, you'd be surprised....I'm actually feeling a lot more positive on my next casino run after reading posts on all of these forums. If you really want to know, my last trip ended really horribly....I won, but I lost a black chip, and at the time my bankroll was low so my goal was only 120....I lost my winnings, my mind-state buckled, and I panicked and ended up losing...that's why I'm kinda scared to go back....I've NEVER lost a single chip in my life at the casino, and after 6 straight wins, I ended up doing it and it's been a rough memory burned into my brain ever since.


    - M
  • morrotho- Your logic has so many flaws that there is no simple way to correct it. You must learn the hard way, so go to it.
  • morrotho said:
    Yeah, my wins weren't anything to ride home about. I would win 250 dollars with a 2000 dollar bank. The thing is, I'd only lose my bank. So, the most I've ever lost was 2000, but by that time I was still up on the casino roughly 6 grand. I know losses come, definitely...but as long as I'm still up triple my bankroll after a loss, I'm doing alright.

    I wait after a loss because I refresh my mind. There's a statistic that doesn't lie about people having a chance to be up in blackjack. Just like the statistic that the dealer wins the first hand 80-something percent of the time, and the 2nd hand 68% of the time....people who sit down and play blackjack, who play with at least a 25 hand bank....have a 90% chance of getting ahead at one point in time.


    I have never seen any mathematical description of such a statistic. If you are a basic strategy player only, then each hand is essentially an independent trial, with no connectivity at all. The dealer has the same probability of winning the first hand when you sit down, as he has to win the last hand before you leave. Or any other hand in between. I have no idea where you read that, but if it was in a book, burn it. :)




    Sure, the house advantage is mathematical, but you're forgetting something...if you only press your bets when you're hovering close to even, or you're up....and you're experienced enough to know when you're getting hot, it totally makes the .5% house advantage irrelevant....just think....how many times have you been down for hours and hours, and within 10 minutes you're ahead? Because you're experienced and you pressed at the appropriate times.


    That sounds like a pure gambler writing there. Streaks do not exist until "after the fact". There is absolutely no way to know you are starting (or in the middle of) a winning or losing streak. Until you play the hands and see what happened. It just is not possible.


    My average losses are are 8 X my average wins, but by the time I lose usually I'm up about 20+ wins....so it's rough, but I'm still up healthy. It's not too hard to get up 2 hands in a casino if you're playing like a calculator with a 35-40 hand bankroll. I'm not 'throwing' this idea out here....it's worked for the last 3 years for me.

    Before I started another casino run, I just wanted to see if I was just like every other gambler with my past experiences, or if I was different. I'm getting my answers slowly but surely, and it's helping boost my confidence, so I thank everyone for all of the well-thought out replies.

    I think mathematically speaking the house DOES have that .5% of an edge...but pressing bets totally changes the game.


    Yes it does. It simply increases the house win rate because the house edge never changes. If you bet more, you lose more, period. A good blackjack book is where you need to start...


    I'm not talking about winning X amount of dollars....I'm talking about pressing only when the time is appropriate, and getting up 2 hands. Playing like a calculator is the toughest part....but math has nothing to do with pressing bets, especially when the goal is so small and so easy to obtain.....2000 dollars to win 200-250....the chances are great, of that.

    As for the blackjack online....I've had grindouts where I've played over 2.5 hours of straight hands, actually I had that happen this week....I still ended up winning. I consider those potential loss days, but my rule of thumb is that I don't leave until I'm down my very last hand, playing 1 unit when I'm down, and playing like a calculator and using Basic Strategy.


    Try it, you'd be surprised....I'm actually feeling a lot more positive on my next casino run after reading posts on all of these forums. If you really want to know, my last trip ended really horribly....I won, but I lost a black chip, and at the time my bankroll was low so my goal was only 120....I lost my winnings, my mind-state buckled, and I panicked and ended up losing...that's why I'm kinda scared to go back....I've NEVER lost a single chip in my life at the casino, and after 6 straight wins, I ended up doing it and it's been a rough memory burned into my brain ever since.


    - M
  • Looking forward to meeting you someday in Delray Beach at the coffeehouse. I can't use another insurance addiction leave until after the first of the year. Please let me know when your getting ready to jump off the bridge.
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  • Well, for the sake of me graduating college in May, and starting a career, I seriously hope I lose too. It's better to get it out of the way now, when I'm in college losing a grand or less, as opposed to when I get a job, and have financial obligations.

    In the meantime, I COULD be full of bull to everyone here, but I guess I'm extremely lucky....I'm 45-4 at the online casino, and I'm riding a 14-day winning streak (playing once a day).

    I DO realize that everyone who posts on this message board, including myself, hasn't accomplished much, or we wouldn't be sitting around talking about blackjack. We're all losers I guess....but I'm still up over 20 times what I sat down with....I'll ride it out until it's over I guess.
  • Ray said:
    morrotho- Your logic has so many flaws that there is no simple way to correct it. You must learn the hard way, so go to it.


    Amen to that. Others' experiences should be taken to let others avoid what mistakes others have done. But should they choose to learn it the hard way. Go for it.
  • Appetite said:
    Amen to that. Others' experiences should be taken to let others avoid what mistakes others have done. But should they choose to learn it the hard way. Go for it.


    --making good decisions come from experience, but experience comes from making bad decisions...
  • Appetite said:
    Amen to that. Others' experiences should be taken to let others avoid what mistakes others have done. But should they choose to learn it the hard way. Go for it.



    i second that, i thought i had it made just like him and i was stubborn, so i learned the hard way
  • With all due respect Casino Royale, I've read your past posts, and you've never touched the surface of anything I've done. That's why I PM'd you wondering how much you're up on the Casino since you've played.

    If you're the type of person that loses at the online casino, we're two different kinds of people. I'm 49-4. and 2 of the losses were PURE bad luck losses, 2 were hitting my goal and not leaving, only to later lose. The difference? I cycle my wins, same with the casino. You cash in 50 to the online casino, play once a day, get up 2 hands and log out. You turn it to 800, cash out 750, and you're still with your original 50. So, those losses I've had were still ever-so-frustrating, but overall I've cashed out 19 times more than I've lost. Two different kinds of people.

    My best advice to you is to read 'Winning Without Counting'. I KNOW The name Dr. Wong is a respected one, so I decided to buy the book and take it seriously. I think the underlying reason for all the negativity is that only a small handful of players can really win more than they lose overall LEGIT, and because the other 95% could never see it possible, blaming their losses on a .5% house advantage, then just play the safe, automated response of "You'll find out someday....you haven't in 80 casino trips and over 50 online sessions in the last three years, but someday when you lose I'll be right".
  • morrotho said:
    With all due respect Casino Royale, I've read your past posts, and you've never touched the surface of anything I've done. That's why I PM'd you wondering how much you're up on the Casino since you've played.

    If you're the type of person that loses at the online casino, we're two different kinds of people. I'm 49-4. and 2 of the losses were PURE bad luck losses, 2 were hitting my goal and not leaving, only to later lose. The difference? I cycle my wins, same with the casino. You cash in 50 to the online casino, play once a day, get up 2 hands and log out. You turn it to 800, cash out 750, and you're still with your original 50. So, those losses I've had were still ever-so-frustrating, but overall I've cashed out 19 times more than I've lost. Two different kinds of people.

    My best advice to you is to read 'Winning Without Counting'. I KNOW The name Dr. Wong is a respected one, so I decided to buy the book and take it seriously. I think the underlying reason for all the negativity is that only a small handful of players can really win more than they lose overall LEGIT, and because the other 95% could never see it possible, blaming their losses on a .5% house advantage, then just play the safe, automated response of "You'll find out someday....you haven't in 80 casino trips and over 50 online sessions in the last three years, but someday when you lose I'll be right".


    yeah i never claimed to do any of ur methods, all i was saying is that the casino will eventually take money back, unless u count cards. I was up quite a bit with a lot of luck in the beginning and i thought i had a pretty good method going myself but then it turned ugly, so now im counting.

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