first good swing
  • wow, just went to jackson with my friend that im teaching to count, we sat down together at a $5 table and bought in for $600 total, and flat bet when the count was down and when we had a TC of 1 we put $25, TC of 2 $50 and 3 we put $75, and everything fell into place, and it worked beautifully. We won almost every big bet and double down possible. When we started to get up 2 pit bosses came over and stared at us constantly, then when we got up more 5 more came out from the back and stood in the center near us.

    we had only played for about an hour or so and the heat was unbelievable. At the very end we ended up cashing out with $1250 total, with 7 pit bosses near us and i think a security guard. I would always signal my friend to place bets out there so they were keeping taps on both of us the whole time. I told him to sit there a lil longer so i had enough time to leave before him so it didnt look like we were together, when i left my friend heard them say something like "thats him" "Thats the guy" "He is leaving"

    The heat was so bad i knew something was about to go down so i told him we better leave, the whole time my heart was pounding cuz this was the second time i tried counting and the first time we won a lot.
  • reality is a bitch.
  • yeah we both didnt expect that much heat, ppl arent kidding when they say they get a lot of attention =)
  • there are places you can go and spread $10 to $200 and not draw a glance. There are places ou can go and spread $5-$40 and get run off.

    As you play more, you will have less trouble, as you will develop a "sixth sense" about what is going on and when it is time to move on. I've been using the 1 hour per session for a long time without much in the way of notice. Every now and then things go sour, but usually as a result of something stupid. For example spreading $5-$40 in a DD game was ignored, but spreading $25-$200 pissed 'em off royally... or playing for an extended period of time, particularly across a shift change, where you get noticed more than you want...

    I've never had the "physical threats" type actions directed at me, just been told to leave or to not play any more 21 depending on the casino... but there's little doubt you can piss 'em off enough if you try hard enough and who knows what will happen then...

    Counting successfully is about more than just counting. You have to have an "act" to go along with it so that you don't appear to be a threat. This includes chatting it up with the dealer and pit, drinking (iced tea looks like alcohol but doesn't impair judgement, etc) and above all, don't stare at the cards like you are trying to memorize 'em. :)

    The less you stand out, the better, unless you have a great drunk act and can pull it off convincingly. You can always come back to a good game several times, rather than burning yourself out with the pit by playing for several hours...
  • Whats your bankroll to be playing $25-200? Thats insane, whats the most you've won? and yeah my friend and i went back last night and got another 200 but this time it took forever, we went through like 3-4 shoes that never went postive so we were there for almost 4 hours.

    Im not quite good enough to be talking to everyone and looking around while counting just yet but i am getting better. I am able to look at the T.V's and stuff and occasionally talk to the dealer.

    I have one question tho, if the TC is 1 or higher and i have a hard 16 vs a 7 or higher do i still hit?
  • Casino Royale said:
    I have one question tho, if the TC is 1 or higher and i have a hard 16 vs a 7 or higher do i still hit?


    At this point in your learning process, you need to learn the I18 indices.....those will be all you need right now.

    But to answer your question, You STAND with 16 vs 10 when TC is 1 or greater. You STAND with 16 vs 9 when the TC is 6 or greater.......always HIT 16 vs 7 or 8.

    Grifter
  • Grifter said:
    At this point in your learning process, you need to learn the I18 indices.....those will be all you need right now.

    But to answer your question, You STAND with 16 vs 10 when TC is 1 or greater. You STAND with 16 vs 9 when the TC is 6 or greater.......always HIT 16 vs 7 or 8.

    Grifter


    Unless you are playing a game with Surrender, where you would Surrender a 16vs8 at a TC of 4 without going into the silly high matrix numbers.

    RJT.
  • RJT......Good catch. You are correct......Grifter
  • jackson doesnt have surrender so i dont have to worry about that :) , btw where can i find a chart of these indices?
  • Google "Illustrious 18"
  • 1. Play good games
    2. Count accurately
    3. Get the money out
  • Casino Royale said:
    Whats your bankroll to be playing $25-200? Thats insane, whats the most you've won? and yeah my friend and i went back last night and got another 200 but this time it took forever, we went through like 3-4 shoes that never went postive so we were there for almost 4 hours.

    Im not quite good enough to be talking to everyone and looking around while counting just yet but i am getting better. I am able to look at the T.V's and stuff and occasionally talk to the dealer.

    I have one question tho, if the TC is 1 or higher and i have a hard 16 vs a 7 or higher do i still hit?


    I try to carry 100 units with me. So for a $25 unit, that turns into 25 benjis which is not that hard to carry around. But note that is for a playing session, and I don't play at that level very often. If you are on a good DD game and the count pops up a few times, each $200 bet is almost 10% of your bankroll so a bad streak can wipe you out. On the infrequent times when I go to play seriously (without lots of family along) I tend to carry $10K as a trip bankroll. And I have busted out with that kind of money as well as doubled (and slightly more) that bankroll over a weekend. Good and bad things happen, but I expect to win about $50 an hour or so at a $25 unit, over the long run, so it is not a real "get rich quick undertaking".

    But the real issue is the variance. Even though your bankroll trends up over time, the swings are beyond wild...
  • im 5 for 5 right now, i won 300 the night before and 800 last night =) i was able to make convo with the dealer the whole night while counting too
  • Just remember you have an advantage, but you are far from invincible. negative variance will certainly show itself from time to time and it will hurt. The trend is upward, but those dips are murderous at times, and they will "try your soul" to say the least...

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