Betting systems
  • Does anyone have a good, simple betting system for a non-counter?
    I have been playing BJ for many years and know Basic Strategy well. I have tried to learn some counting systems, but never had much luck using them in a casino. So, I just play Basic Strategy all the time.
    For a long time I have been looking for a simple betting progression. I know the complex systems, like Martingale, are flawed and don't work. I have tried some simple progressions, like going up one unit after each win and then dropping back to one unit after a loss. Or something like 1 unit-3 units-5 units-3 units-1 unit-3 units, etc., and then going back to 1 unit after a loss. I have had mixed results, at best, with these.
    I'm curious if anyone has found a system that seems to work for them regularly.
    Or is the best advice for a non-counter to simply play Basic Strategy and bet the same amount each time?

    Thanks.
  • "Or is the best advice for a non-counter to simply play Basic Strategy and bet the same amount each time?"

    That is it because all betting systems give the same results at some average bet. You just lose more because your average bet is higher.

    Betting systems attempt to generate a program that will capture the unknown future to your benefit. Totally impossible and voodoo logic at its best.
  • Flat betting will give you the best results of any non-counting system.
    But why not try simple counting systems. You can start with just aces and Fives.Bet 2 units to start. When there are more Aces than Fives left in the deck,bet three units. When there are more Fives than Aces,you bet one unit. Simple,effective.When you get comforable with it,you expand to counting another couple of cards.
  • Interesting idea. I'll give it a try.
    I have tried the traditional "simple" system of counting high and low cards as one and minus one. I could do it for a while in the casino, but it was so much mental work for me that the play was no longer fun.
    Your idea sounds much more manageable.
    Thanks.
  • ronmck said:
    Interesting idea. I'll give it a try.
    I have tried the traditional "simple" system of counting high and low cards as one and minus one. I could do it for a while in the casino, but it was so much mental work for me that the play was no longer fun.
    Your idea sounds much more manageable.
    Thanks.


    Here's the thing... if it were that easy, everyone would be doing it. And if a betting strategy was _that good_ it would be a secret revealed only to close friends. Why sell a book for chump change when you could use such a strategy to win millions in a casino? Because such a strategy does not exist.

    P.T. Barnum had it right....
  • ronmck said:
    Interesting idea. I'll give it a try.
    I have tried the traditional "simple" system of counting high and low cards as one and minus one. I could do it for a while in the casino, but it was so much mental work for me that the play was no longer fun.
    Your idea sounds much more manageable.
    Thanks.



    Its better than no counting,but pretty weak compared to other counting methods.However,I encourage it because it is simple and expandable.Another fairly easy method is Fred Renzeys Ace/Ten count. Try googling it.
  • ronmck said:
    Does anyone have a good, simple betting system for a non-counter?
    I have been playing BJ for many years and know Basic Strategy well. I have tried to learn some counting systems, but never had much luck using them in a casino. So, I just play Basic Strategy all the time.
    For a long time I have been looking for a simple betting progression. I know the complex systems, like Martingale, are flawed and don't work. I have tried some simple progressions, like going up one unit after each win and then dropping back to one unit after a loss. Or something like 1 unit-3 units-5 units-3 units-1 unit-3 units, etc., and then going back to 1 unit after a loss. I have had mixed results, at best, with these.
    I'm curious if anyone has found a system that seems to work for them regularly.
    Or is the best advice for a non-counter to simply play Basic Strategy and bet the same amount each time?Thanks.


    Hello,
    My name is Harry. I been studying the BS and speed counting by Frank Scoblete. You start counting at the beginning of the shoe. You count only the low cards, 2-6. Four decks star at 29, six decks starts at 27. Here's how it works: There is no counting until all hands are played. You count your own small cards only. 6 decks

    X 6 Dealer's up card.
    your cards 2/3/6/5=16. You add 27+1+1+1+1=31-1=30. Below 31 the cards are for the dealer, above 31, the cards are for the player. You just add small cards and subtract one player, which is yourself. The best place to sit is at first base.

    www.bjinsider.com

    Harry
  • very Interesting the speed counting, can you recomend a site here can I learn it? when we start counting it start positive 27 ? have you already tried at casinos?
  • ruifgalmeida said:
    very Interesting the speed counting, can you recomend a site here can I learn it? when we start counting it start positive 27 ? have you already tried at casinos?


    Go to Arnold Snyder's web site and look for the "OPP" count. It is exactly the same as the speed count. It is very weak, but it does work, although it significantly increases the variance of the game compared to stronger systems...
  • ruifgalmeida said:
    very Interesting the speed counting, can you recomend a site here can I learn it? when we start counting it start positive 27 ? have you already tried at casinos?


    Beware, the advertisers of Speed Count and OOP have grossly exaggerated the results. KO Rookie has no indexes but still has twice the win rate of Speed Count. The risk with Speed Count is unacceptable IMO.
  • Yep. Same advice I'd give to any non-counter. Flat-bet playing perfect Basic Strategy will definitely give you more edge than any betting System in the long run.
  • You will always be a losing player. I am. First of all, I'm retired, single and financially secure. I realize playing 8D game is weak and difficult to beat. I play minimum green and start off a shoe using a simple count system. I't good enough to give me a good indication of wonging in or out. I probably lose about $200 on average during four hour green session. In my mind the RFB comps take care of this one session each day. If I play three session on a given day I'll lose an average of $400. I just love the action and consider this a cost of entertainment. I understand this may be not very smart on my part to have not improved my game since the length of board membership. Don't get me wrong, I have picked up many, many non-counting tips. I have been playing two night stays four times a year because of potential daily interaction required on my part. Hard to pass FU Money. I may have a misconception in my mind that a professional counter/player has first of all play, but at the same time be movitated enough to continue practicing. I believe if someone is beating casino's on an annual basis it is a very hard full-time job.
  • jimpenn said:
    I believe if someone is beating casino's on an annual basis it is a very hard full-time job.


    Rightly said Sir Jimpenn. You bet it is real and exceptional hardwork alright. Specially if you got investors to feed.

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