Camo Techniques
  • Would like to hear what camo techniques,physical appearance,verbal,poor play,etc you counters use to avoid heat!!!!!!!!!
    Thanks-
    Prog
  • This is one of my favorites:

    1. Keep a pack of tictacs (life savers are ok as well but more bulky) in your shirt pocket.

    2. practice some sort of "chip" trick, such as a roll or flip, and do it "Unconsciously". I like the 3-chip trick with two reds and a green in the middle, where you extract the green, flip it 180 (or 360) degrees and slip it back in between the other two. This gives you a reason to continually have chips in your hand, which is important for the next step.

    3. Occasionally you can "palm" a chip (green or black) and then reach into your pocket to get a tictac. At the same time, into your pocket goes the chip. Idea is to avoid a "growing" pile of green or black chips and appear to be a loser or break-even player. If you do this carefully, you can hide chips quite easily and hide your winning ways a bit. In watching pit critters, they seem to glom onto big piles of green or black chips instantly, and if they see the piles growing, they become more "interested". I use tictacs as they "rattle" so that the possible noise of a chip is not that noticable if it hits the plastic box or another chip.

    I knew this was working well as the last time I was playing on the Mississippi coast, my wife would walk up, say "not doing so well tonight?" and walk off (actually I will probably get her to do this ntentionally in the future to further confuse things). But on this occasion she didn't know what I was doing. Later when we met to eat, she asked "How much did you lose tonight?" I thought a minute and said "I think I lost about -$400.00." She didn't pick up on the "minus" so I dropped the chips on the table (2 blacks, 8-10 greens) and sh
    said "I thought you were losing." When I explained I got a "wise guy" comment and all was well. She doesn't count and hasn't seen the "bad side" of counting personally, so she doesn't quite understand the "act" necessary to avoid too much attention. However, it turns out she fit right into the act pretty well, as after she left, the dealer said something like "Hmm.. looks like you are down more than I thought you were, you must have done poorly on my last break" or something to that effect.

    The only down side of this is that if you or anyone shows up where I am playing, and I see tic tacs in your pocket, you will be "made" as a counter by me. :)

    Not that I'd care, obviously, if we had 7 at a table. Be nice to try to drive some of the pit folks crazy. :)
  • Lose the green at the shuffle or between tables and try to avoid black
    or purple chips. Most of my bets are a mix of green/red and I don't
    color up. You can't keep the dealer from paying black, but try to avoid
    building your stack needlessly.

    Bet spread is a dead giveaway and the best way to hide it is to play
    two hands at some percentage. For example: Two at $20 for $25 and
    two at $35 for $50 looks a lot like a progression, but you have more
    money in the game for about the same risk.

    Ray
  • Maybe I'm nuts, but...........

    If you get caught by someone "Palming a chip" I would think that you could really get yourself in a lot of trouble by someone thinking that you were trying to cap a bet.. I'd rather be thought a "counter" than a "cheater"

    Once again that is just my ever so humble opinion.

    mh
  • I suppose that is possible, but since I _never_ touch a bet once it has been placed, I doubt that would apply. IE my hands stay close by my chips except when I transfer one to my shirt pocket. Never getting within a foot (or whatever the distance from the table rail to the betting circle) of the current bet...

    Many BJ players fiddle with chips, myself included. You just don't come within 6" of your bet chip stack.

    My only point was that one "idea" is to hide your winnings when possible. If your chip stack seems to stay the same or shrink, the pit folks think that is a good thing. When it continually gets bigger, they get more interested. I like as little interest as possible, myself...
  • thanks doctor i really like the tic tac idea.
  • The name of the game is always "mis-direction" of course.

    IE that is why a single player is really not going to do incredibly well at the BJ table. You simply can't avoid playing with a negative count. But with an accomplice, you can flat-bet and call in the big bettor when the count gets good, without arousing a lot of suspicion. But clearly spreading 1-10 as the count goes up, and dropping out when it goes negative is tantamount to wearking "I am a counter" T-shirt...

    Counting adds to the "workload" (particularly at single-deck games if you can find a decent one (I have not in 3+ years now. A few times I found good SD games on the Mississippi coast as a new casino opened up, but that seems to be ancient history now.) IE nothing like a table where you have 7 players, dealt face-down, the dealer gets a natural and everyone throws in their cards. Sometimes they land on top of each other and you have to try to catch a glimpse as the dealer drags them in. But to offset this workload, there is the "fun" of trying to be uniquitous, and not draw any unnecessary attention. IE a well-known basic strategy modification is to split 10s on a significantly positive count (I won't give a number since not everyone uses high-low and that would just add to the confusion). But there is no better way to stand up and be recognized than to do that when you have a big bet out. Yes, idiots do split 10's against (say) a dealer 6, but they are not doing it with the count and it ends up drawing a lot of ridicule, the pit ciritter comes over to watch and immediately notices that his blood-alcohol level seems to be over .1 and they leave. :) But if you seem to be "normal" and split 'em, and your bet is varying with the count, you will get had pretty quickly. Again, think "wallflower" and be ignored.

    One other point. It is also a good idea that if your chip count gets low, buy in for more rather than extracting some from your pocket. Every time the dealer says "changing 200 larry" that suggests that you are losing. That is _always_ a good impression to leave. If necessary you can always take a restroom break, go to the cage and turn in your chips for cash although you have to be careful as the "eye in the sky" is everywhere and if they see you doing this it might raise a flag to them...

    I have noticed many times that the dealers really seem to have a good idea of where you stand money wise, apparently basedd on remembering how much you have "bought in" for and looking at your current chip stack. A little subterfuge goes a long way there. :)

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