007/Dahl's Progression
  • So... if one plays this style as well as brings a 40x table minimum bankroll and plays perfect BS, basically they are playing on the sheer LUCK of the cards now, right? Since the player would be playing to the best of their ability BS wise, and a POSITIVE progression, what else could they do besides counting (and offensive/defensive hand-interaction) to give them the advantage?
    So basically, if they lose massively (at least 30x their bankroll with about 4 hrs of play) would be totally up to how the CARDS are dealt to him/her, and they'd have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL of over that anymore, agree? If so, so then PEOPLE WHO PLAY THIS WAY ARE SIMPLY PLAYING BY "LUCK" OF THE CARDS EVEN THOUGH THEIR PLAYING ALMOST AS BEST THEY COULD ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right??

    ALL OPINIONS WELCOMED!!!
  • "So basically, if they lose massively (at least 30x their bankroll with about 4 hrs of play) would be totally up to how the CARDS are dealt to him/her, and they'd have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL of over that anymore, agree? If so, so then PEOPLE WHO PLAY THIS WAY ARE SIMPLY PLAYING BY "LUCK" OF THE CARDS EVEN THOUGH THEIR PLAYING ALMOST AS BEST THEY COULD ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right?? "

    Bug, .... You DO have some "CONTROL". Like leaving the table if the environment is bad. Lose 4 to 5 hands in a row & have the discipline to LEAVE. If you have some jerk at 3rd base splitting his 10's against your double down , LEAVE, I don't care how many experts tell me the bad player does not affect my game. Find a table with more knowledgeable players. I have been advised NOT to play at a FULL table (bad, in most instances for it limits your "chance" -standard deviation- at good luck with the cards). Seems to me it is all a "percentage" game. Up your percentages by ANY means (go beyond your "basic" Basic Strategy) & you walk with a plus more consistently. "Luck" is a balancing act & you are fighting not only the Casino but YOURSELF. Did you have a fight with your mate? Don't play. Are you angry about something? Don't play. Are you tired & hungry? Don't play. Are you a morning or night person? When are YOU at your "best"? KNOW THYSELF & play accordingly. There are just too many VARIABLES to blame ALL your losses simply on the "bad luck" flow of the cards. And finally, if you are going to play on a regular basis: Set aside a separate checking account with at least $5,000. - if you are a quarter player- (that is NOT needed to pay your bills) to draw upon WHEN you hit a string of losses before the cards turn for you. What this does is release you from the stress of "press betting" where you WILL, most often, LOSE CONTROL. I have limited experience with the game, but this is what I have discovered so far.
  • Thanks crackers, I appreciate your insight.

    Why do you insist that having DUMB players will mess your cards up since players individual actions should not disturb your OWN play?

    There are just too many VARIABLES to blame ALL your losses simply on the "bad luck" flow of the cards


    Well, what if nothing is bothering the person... THEN their bad cards affecting them to lose would be affected only by the cards they receive, right???
  • There is more to the game than the psychology of the game. Let us say you are happy, happy :lol: You still must deal with all the other factors, variables, elements of the game itself. Whether you Hit or Stand is just one factor in the game. But you can be a little more sophisticated. For example. You have 16/10 situation. Like Desert said in earlier post: "sometimes" the correct strategy is to STAND! Well, if you don't know ALL the little "exceptions" or tricks that go along with "basic" BS, then you will lower your percentages of winning, won't you? When I refer to all the "variables" in the game, that is what I am talking about. What if you have a 16, are on 3rd and see that person to your right has a "4" in his hand. Your percentages just changed, didn't they? If you are not aware of this, then you may walk away loser, blaming your "loss for the day" on "just bad luck" or the old "I just got a bad run of cards, nuttin' wrong with me!" It wasn't "bad" luck. You just were not sophisticated enough to KNOW how to handle the situation.
  • "Why do you insist that having DUMB players will mess your cards up since players individual actions should not disturb your OWN play? "

    Who said so? Some "expert"? Statistical Analysis? The anchor at 3rd, with some skillful play, can defeat the dealer; the guy splitting tens cannot.
    Since I only play Digital with a live dealer, I can't speak for all those who play at casinos with actual dealer shuffling who physically deal the cards. Perhaps that is true in that environment.
    In my environment, I have found that NOT to be true. I only play one kind of BJ because that is the only thing available to me. I have learned that lousy players WILL mess me up under my particular TYPE of game/conditions. In fact, I think the casinos KNOW this happens with Digital BJ and know there is automatic profit for them with these poor players. I note the amount of open tables are carefully controlled, ie, is difficult to find a table with only 3 players or opportunity to play one on one (my favorite game). The Casino wants FULL tables! Why do you suppose this is so?
  • Everyone relax: the guy at third base will often hurt as well as help you with his "dumb" moves. Once you realize that, you'll be a whole lot more relaxed. He wants to split his 10s? Fine. He wants to double a 12? No problem. Life is much easier when you realize the "dumb-ass" at third base will help you as often as he will hurt you.

    If you play perfect BS, people will regard YOU as the "dumb-ass" when you hit A7v9, or split 88vA or hit 12v3 or soft double anything. What comes around goes around. So RELAX!

    And don't beat yourself up about "skillfull" play. 16v10 is a close call, and you'll often loose when you make the correct play, and Joe Bloe will often win when he makes the wrong move. Just look at the results of the typical HitOeStand game. Sometimes you win a lot, sometimes you lose a lot, but you always (at least I HOPE you always) play the same BS (basic strategy).

    Let's keep the tables happy. :D
  • The laws of mathematics say, a bad player at the table will help you just as many times a, he hurts you.
    Midnite's law says, the times he helps you is when you have out a small bet and the times he hurts you, is when you have out a Large bet. (just kidd-n)
  • Mr. Ed - Superb post as usual.....Minimum of words..... 100% accurate with the facts.

    Crackers - Mr. Ed is "right on".... Believe him.

    Bug - Good post of yours.....you also "nailed" the facts. Call it luck, expectation, standard deviation, whatever.....The fact is you are going to "win some and lose some". BUT, by you playing perfect BS you are cutting that house edge down to -0.43% and Mr. Bug, that ain't bad.

    Enough "talk" - I'm flyin' out of here tomorrow morning to play blackjack for three days.....life is good.

    Regards.....Grifter
  • Grifter said:
    Enough "talk" - I'm flyin' out of here tomorrow morning to play blackjack for three days.....life is good.

    Regards.....Grifter


    You suck, Grifter. I'm jealous... 8)

    I'll be at home this weekend. :(
  • Hey Buffarino, you may as well get twice as jealous. I am also off for three days of BJ and fun. I will post a trip report, when I get back. :D
  • midnite said:
    Hey Buffarino, you may as well get twice as jealous. I am also off for three days of BJ and fun. I will post a trip report, when I get back. :D


    Will do, midnite. You suck, too.

    :D
  • Crackers, at digital bj can you see the other players' cards? Are they on screens in front of each seat and hard to view from other angles?
  • Buffarino said:
    [quote=Grifter]Enough "talk" - I'm flyin' out of here tomorrow morning to play blackjack for three days.....life is good.

    Regards.....Grifter


    You suck, Grifter. I'm jealous... 8)

    I'll be at home this weekend. :([/quote]

    I can top that one. I'm moving to Las Vegas in November. So looking forward to the option to play blackjack EVERY DAY !!!!!
  • "Crackers, at digital bj can you see the other players' cards? Are they on screens in front of each seat and hard to view from other angles?" (From Desert Dog)

    YES. If I stand all the time, I can see the other player screens except for the one next to third base, which appears "black" if you are at first.
  • Well, that was pretty pathetic... just came back from gambling @ da Isle... using PERFECT BS & 007 Progression, lost my entire $1000 bankroll in 3 hours, that includes moving to about 3-4 diff. tables because of 4 consecutive losses. Just could never catch a hot streak... played at $25 min. tables the entire night and with $1K that's MORE than enough to compensate for the up and down swings but I dont think I ever got ahead. Was always down from the $1000 :(

    Any thoughts, suggestions?
  • HELLO??????????????????? IT'D BE NICE IF SOMEONE COULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO POST A REPLY! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :twisted:
  • A $1000 bankroll might be a little light for the $25 tables. At least it seems that way to me. At the $10 table you could probably have made it through a bad streak. Just my 2 cents worth.

    Charles
  • Dude, but $1000 is 40x the $25 table minimum... so my point is that it was more than sufficient!!! At a $10 table $400 is 40x so $500 would be over 40x, the recommended amount to bring by the Experts.

    I'm just very shocked how POORLY the flow of my hands went and how it was all gone in 3 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Bug

    That is just the way it goes at times. Has happened to me. Often.

    Charles
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    HELLO??????????????????? IT'D BE NICE IF SOMEONE COULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO POST A REPLY! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :twisted:


    Nobody 'owes' you a reply, Bug. Maybe if you were a bit nicer, more people would respond. Just a thought.
  • :cry: Setting a LOSS LIMIT is a smart thing, but hard to do. Takes so MUCH Discipline (that I do not yet have). 3 hours and down $1,000. ?Hmmmm. Might have been good, in retrospect, to slow down and, after the first $500. down ....to have taken a break!
    Is real easy for ME to advise you, Bug. Now if I could just get someone to make me listen to my own advice :P
  • crackers said:
    :cry: Setting a LOSS LIMIT is a smart thing, but hard to do. Takes so MUCH Discipline (that I do not yet have). 3 hours and down $1,000. ?Hmmmm. Might have been good, in retrospect, to slow down and, after the first $500. down ....to have taken a break!
    Is real easy for ME to advise you, Bug. Now if I could just get someone to make me listen to my own advice :P


    I only bring as much as I'm willing to lose in that sitting with me. There has been 1 or 2 times where I've driven the 1.5 hours to the casino only to turn around and leave after an hour (or, on one occasion, 45 minutes). Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Like you said, you've just gotta be disciplined enough to do it.
  • Nobody 'owes' you a reply, Bug. Maybe if you were a bit nicer, more people would respond. Just a thought.


    And maybe if YOU learned how to play, you wouldn't be crying about BS questions!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    Nobody 'owes' you a reply, Bug. Maybe if you were a bit nicer, more people would respond. Just a thought.


    And maybe if YOU learned how to play, you wouldn't be crying about BS questions!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


    I made $300 on my last trip to Vegas (3 day trip, played 8-10 hours per day). How'd you do on your last trip?

    You lost your whole bankroll. Maybe it was just bad cards, or maybe your BS isn't quite as perfect as you'd like to think it is.
  • If you two want to throw sticks and stones at each other, PLEASE do it by PM's.......Don't bother the rest of the group with it.

    Moderator (Grifter)
  • My bad, Grifter. Will do.

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