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  • Anyone else ever seen/bought/used this?

    http://www.blackjackcounter.com/

    What a GREAT idea. But Geebus does that have "kick my card countin' ass" written all over it.

    And I'll bet the sellers know it, too. Not a bad price though. Any thoughts?
  • Yep, it is a neat idea, BUT it can land you in the Cross Bar Hotel (jail) it would be illegal to use in Nevada. You would not want to be seen, pushing the buttons. So now, you are always playing BJ, with one hand in your pocket ?? May look a little strange. Save your money......
  • Rush, As usual what they don't tell you is more important than what
    they do. For example: They are very likely talking about the High/Low
    system and here are some examples:

    - You need to learn about 42-43 index numbers so as to play your
    hands correctly.

    - You need to learn to correctly judge the number of cards/decks played.

    - You need to learn how to "TRUE" the count RC/RD; Thats running ct.
    divided by remaining decks.

    - In counting so as to push the correct button, you need to learn card
    recognition, cancellations and value. If you do all that, can't you keep the
    running total yourself, after all, you already did 90% of the work.

    Also, none of their get rich quick claims are valid......just my thoughts

    Ray
  • hahah... what a GREAT item... for only $100?!??!!? Damn that's THOUSANDS of dollars cheaper than the one for Roulette, known as the NEWTON... costing almost $5000!

    Why dont you guys think it's good? Yeah I'm pretty sure there talking about the high/low count... and how about if one controls it by their FOOT?! Then they'd NEVER get caught, right???

    I am seriously contemplating buying this... besides, if a casino DID catch one doing this, what would the punishment be? I mean, come on, is there a sign before you play BJ saying "if anyone uses a MACHINE to assist your play we're gonna ban your hairy ass?" Exactly.
  • I think Desert Dogs patented 'Phalanx Technique' is just as good. Seriously I have seen children being taught a finger counting method in which they could do remarkable add, subtract, multiply devide computations. I'm sure if someone sat down and thought about it they could come up with a one hand under the table count tracking technique much better that this gizmo.
  • I own one of these devices. I had the hardest time learning to count so it works great for me. (I keep it in my pocket and press the buttons from the outside of my jeans) When I use it I always know my count is totally accurate and that I can't forget the count. I don't think I would ever use it in Vegas though. Where I live they have BJ in bowling alleys and restaurants so taking $ from them by counting is almost too easy.
  • Doc, Your oh so right. Lets move into "COMPUTER SCIENCE" just a
    little as an example: We will call this, "Four Finger"; Binary Coded Decimal.
    Starting with your little finger: 1,2,4,8 are the assignments: x000=1,
    0x00=2, xx00=3, 00x0=4, x0x0=5, 0xx0=6, xxx0=7, 000x=8, x00x=9,
    0x0x=10, xx0x=11, 00xx=12, x0xx=13, 0xxx=14, xxxx=15, and then
    your thumb pulled in is a carry/16. Then start all over with the carry/16
    stored. There are some more advanced methods called "HEX" that I want
    get into but, you could count all the cards in the shoe in a convential
    manner and for that matter all the cards in the Casino.

    If the palm of your left hand is resting on the edge of the table, then any
    finger touching the table is "ON"(e.g, little finger x000=1). This a great
    way to do "A" side counts for the short deck games. Just look the board
    and update your count. That's right "look the board", don't count anything.

    Hope you find this interesting...............

    Ray
  • So Techman... is it really worth the $100 investing in one of those gadgets in order to easily take money from the casinos? Or... what? And why dont you just put one hand in your POCKET so you can operate the whole thing without being seen? When they see your fingers making some presses OUTSIDE your pocket dont you think they could be suspecting wtf you're doing?
  • Bug - I suppose it comes down to.....Do you want to be suspected of counting or playing pocket pool? 8)

    Or.....you could just do it like us old f**ts who started before computers and gadgets used to do when having trouble with the count. Keep a couple chips in front of you and constantly 'dink' with them. Pick a spot on one of them (the "B" in a Bellagio chip for example) and keep that spot at pointed at an imaginary clockface corresponding to the count.....two o'clock = +2, ten o'clock = -2, etc.
  • Grifter, I like your clock idea and it would cover most normal counts.
    In the finger method the pulled in thumb is also used as the sign. I
    don't use anything, but I can see that in those cases where there is
    a problem at the table, you could use the clock to store and join in
    the fun.....

    Ray
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    So Techman... is it really worth the $100 investing in one of those gadgets in order to easily take money from the casinos? Or... what? And why dont you just put one hand in your POCKET so you can operate the whole thing without being seen? When they see your fingers making some presses OUTSIDE your pocket dont you think they could be suspecting wtf you're doing?



    I think it was well worth the price considering how often I play and the fact that I am mathematically challenged. It has paid for iteself many times over. Nobody has ever noticed what I am doing, (keep in mind where I play is not exactly the Bellagio)- I suppose I could keep my hand in my pocket, but this way just seems easier and that is just the way I feel most comfortable.
  • Techman, Correct me if I'm wrong. Your counting each card as it comes
    out, no worry about cancels, your playing basic strategy and not worring
    about true counts and index numbers, and your bet spread is tuned to
    the running count. Lots of folks play that way, and why not if it makes
    you a winner. Beats the hell out of the alternative.

    Ray
  • Ray/Techman/Bug - I wasn't thinking about six deck, running count players when I passed on that 'tip' about the clock. I guess it wouldn't work for that......although it works fine with double deck running count.

    Grifter
  • Ray said:
    Techman, Correct me if I'm wrong. Your counting each card as it comes
    out, no worry about cancels, your playing basic strategy and not worring
    about true counts and index numbers, and your bet spread is tuned to
    the running count. Lots of folks play that way, and why not if it makes
    you a winner. Beats the hell out of the alternative.

    Ray


    Each time I see a face card or ace, I press one button button, every time I see a 3,4,5,6 I press the other. I just ignore the 7,8,9's. When I play double deck, I just go off the running count after a few hands have been dealt. When I play 6 shoes, I look at the amount of cards remaining and adjust my bet based on that. If there are a lot of cards left, I don't pay as much attention to a +5 count as I would if there were few cards left. It is basic, but it has worked very well for me and I have fun playing and can still be social by not getting to technical with all of the different methods.
  • Grifter, let 11:30 be minus one and away we go. Close enough when u
    have a spot on the table for calibration. No worry

    Ray
  • Techman, In 1983-1984 I played a very similar method because I could
    only play in LV a few times a year. It worked for me and I think it would
    work now as well. As you get better at what you do; more comfe, you can
    add some more things to your game.

    Ray
  • Hey! Good posts all...

    Someone mentioned many different functions... I thought there was just 2 buttons for high/low count, and a 3rd button to tell you what the TC is... right?

    Also, in addition to memorizing BS, one should also memorize the different indices (indexes) for playing while CardCounting, such as TAKING insurance when the TC is >= 3, stuff like that, right??

    How long has this thing been in existence and besides playing Vegas, it should be perfectly fine to use right?

    You ever think about putting it in your SHOE and just letting your toes control the buttons? Interesting...
  • Grifter said:
    ... Keep a couple chips in front of you and constantly 'dink' with them. Pick a spot on one of them (the "B" in a Bellagio chip for example) and keep that spot at pointed at an imaginary clockface corresponding to the count.....two o'clock = +2, ten o'clock = -2, etc.


    The chips at the Paris in Vegas have the Eiffel Tower on them. The point on the Eiffel Tower is good for this clockface method. But I've always wondered whether the eye in the sky watches for people who toy with their chips after every hand. If I thought this up totally independent of any books or Grifter's post, I'm pretty sure Casino management has thought of it too.

    Speaking of Vegas, has anyone watched that TV show Las Vegas? You'd think that the people who run Casinos are all social workers with the kindest of hearts, not to mention extremely good looking. Like telling a mentally unstable gambler, who's losing it all back to the house, to quit while he still has some of his winnings left. The players are the bad guys, with camera lenses embedded on their finger tips, etc.
  • Dawg – Sure, casinos are aware of the ‘clock’, and they are also aware of ‘computers’ and ‘finger counting’. The thing about using chips is that is so natural, especially at six deck tables like you play where the players have both hands free. Check it out yourself the next time you are in a casino…..Look at the tables and try to find one where at least one player is not constantly ‘toying’ with his chips.

    Grifter
  • the clock idea works great. i really suck at math, and have always had trouble with counting. im not willing to take the risk of using a device. so for the most part, i always just figured that i wasnt smart enough to count.
    i would get confused, distracted, and then i would lose count.
    i have made some alterations to various counting systems and with bs i do ok. and the clock idea helps me a bunch.

    here's a question for you guys. the biggest problem that i have in the casinos where i usually play are the players who dont have a clue to what is going on. i get so tired of dealing with players who dont even play basic strategy. i end up getting pissed and not playing. but if i refuse to play where there are bad players, i would never get to play.
    am i worrying about nothing? does it really matter that some dope is not playing correctly?
    and i am really not comfortable playing at the higher limit tables.
    i usually end up at the craps table. i could careless if people are making stupid bets there.
    my wife tells me not to play if i dont like something about a table, and i always tell her that i cant afford to play at the higher min. tables.
    she says "save more money, so you can" she's not much help. :)
  • you are worried about nothing. other "bad" players cannot effect your odds of winning or losing. just play and dont worry about others at the table... the chances of one taking a card that will help is exactly equal to the chance of them taking one that would hurt you. its a myth. and while we are on the subject, 3rd base has no effect on eventual outcome of the game either.

    there are some very good articles out there about blackjack myths. if anyone has any suggestions.

    as for your counting woes... it doesnt take much intelligence. it takes "processing speed" but i think that just comes with practice. in my (very humble) opinion, if you cannot keep track in your head, you ought not to expect to actually win. problem is people learn the theory behind count strategies without practicing it, then want to become millionaires. i say, practice until you can do it without thinking about it

    as for those devises... that is an exellent way to get your knee capped. as well as being useless.... when you actually count cards, most people (including me) do it pairs.... makes it much easier. with those devices you have to do it one at a time, which wastes processing time.
  • bill said:


    here's a question for you guys. the biggest problem that i have in the casinos where i usually play are the players who dont have a clue to what is going on. i get so tired of dealing with players who dont even play basic strategy. i end up getting pissed and not playing. but if i refuse to play where there are bad players, i would never get to play.
    am i worrying about nothing? does it really matter that some dope is not playing correctly?
    :)


    Bill..... Doesn't really matter what Casino one is in,there will always be those who do not "have a clue"....However,believe it or not, These inept players do not directly affect your results. Fact is,they will help you as much as hurt. (Of course,the only times you usually remember are the times they hurt you or the table- that is just Human Nature)
  • the last time i played an old, old man was playing. he was making all of the wrong moves. but i was winning. the dealer would just smile and often ask the old timer a 2nd time if he really wanted a hit or whatever.

    the dealer was cool. she would just smile, cause i kept winning and i kept tipping her.

    i was always confused by other peoples stupid play.
    if playing perfect increases my chances, why wouldnt it increase my chances even more, if everyone played perfect??

    that never made sense to me. but i can also read something about the fact that other peoples play does not make a difference and i can see that logic also.

    but i can say, that if i kept a record of the dumb players helping me vs. hurting me, it would probably be about even.

    and drew, you are exatcly correct about practicing on counting. when i 1st started trying to count. all i was doing was "trying". but the more i did it, the better i got at it. and i practiced a bunch at home and on the computer. and im better at it, but i still have a long way to go.

    i have just introduced my wife to blackjack and she doubled her money in about an hour last time we went to the casino. she's excited and ready to go back for more. i told her "doubling your money is not the norm"
    i like to think that if we team up, we can do better at the tables.
    not sure about that though.
  • I think it was Fred Renzey who asked this question in his book: if bad players made good players lose, wouldn't the casinos hire idiots to play at every table?
  • So on those notes, anyone come across any machines that they thought might be effective?

    I saw one other machine, but lost the link, it may have been on this site, but it looked like a piece of crap.

    I'm not considering using them, I'm just curious about all aspects of gambling.

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