007 progression
  • SLD007:

    SLD I have read on several posts here mention of your 007 progression. I have never seen an exact description of it. Would you describe it, either here, or maybe even better on a new post? Thanks.
    PS I noticed that you are a student at USC in Colombia,S.C. I attended two credit classes there when I was at Ft. Jackson in the 1950's. After service transferred the credits to my college in Illinois. Nice memories of your school, but never been back.

    Charles
  • First of all, I am most assuredly not a student, at least not since 1983 when I got out of law school. Somebody must be feeding you bad info about me (Bug?).

    Anyhow, yes, I am very proud of my 007 progression (xx2x2x3x3x4x4x and back to x); however, I have made some changes to it. First of all, I have incorporated the Thomason 4 loss quit point. Secondly, I have modified the progression to stay at 2x for three winnings hands instead of two. I found that usually I lose the 5th hand, so why should I lose 3x (which is half the profit) when I can lose 2x (which is only one third of the profit).

    Practically speaking, if you don't win your splits and double downs, you are going to lose, period. The only advantage with a progression, any progression, is that you will lose less. Much less than if you randomly throw chips out there in an ill fated attenpt to win back your losses.
  • Wow, I'm here in Columbia, SC too. I'm a student here when I actually make it to class, and they tell me I'm a senior or something like that.

    Anyway....."I found that usually I lose the 5th hand"......not to be an ass, but you'll find that you actually usually lose ANY hand, and losing the 5th hand is just the way the cookie has crumbled in the past. Obviously, chances are excellent you'll never even make it to the 5th hand, but if you do, you have the same chance of winning that hand as any other: 47.5%. (Of course, that's assuming you play through ties).

    In the end, progressions are still just ways of managing your standard deviation. They can increase it, or decrease it, but in the end, if you play long enough, you will lose.

    The only way to truly 'win' at Blackjack is to win big in the short term by having standard deviation swing in your favor, and then never play again.

    Sadly, most of us never get this chance.
  • Sorry SLD, got you & SLADE mixed up. Anyway thanks for your explanation of wour method.

    Charles
  • Shade7x said:
    Wow, I'm here in Columbia, SC too. I'm a student here when I actually make it to class, and they tell me I'm a senior or something like that.

    Anyway....."I found that usually I lose the 5th hand"......not to be an ass, but you'll find that you actually usually lose ANY hand, and losing the 5th hand is just the way the cookie has crumbled in the past. Obviously, chances are excellent you'll never even make it to the 5th hand, but if you do, you have the same chance of winning that hand as any other: 47.5%. (Of course, that's assuming you play through ties).

    In the end, progressions are still just ways of managing your standard deviation. They can increase it, or decrease it, but in the end, if you play long enough, you will lose.

    The only way to truly 'win' at Blackjack is to win big in the short term by having standard deviation swing in your favor, and then never play again.

    Sadly, most of us never get this chance.


    You know...it's funny, every time one of these "know-it-alls" tell me what I can and will win and how often and so on, I keep looking at my ever increasing stack of chips and my 66.237% average win percentage with my 007 progression and just have to laugh. I don't know how long you've been playing son, but in my experience (at real casinos with real money, not some insipid online game for * ((deleted word))), IN THE LONG RUN I can grind up to the 4th or 5th win a good deal of the time AND WHEN I DO it makes more sense not to risk half your profit. Look..stick to Renzey and card counting, you're not ever getting laid anyway! lol.
  • Relax sld007. Everyonle on this forum is only trying to find the truth and share our knowlege. If you disagree with shade7x, just tell him, don't insult him.
  • Sld007, how do you calculate your "win percentage" of .66237? Number of trips? Number of hands? That's fabulous and I would love to do the same.
  • Sld, if I didn't know you were a 40+ year old ambulance chaser, I'd think you were a punk high schooler. Settle down.
  • is the "x" one unit? or does that "x" mean "2 times" "3 times"?

    say your betting $5. does it go 5, 5, 10, 5, 10, 5, 15, 5, 15, 5, 20, 5, 20???

    sorry if these are stupid questions, but im a little confused.
  • bill said:
    is the "x" one unit? or does that "x" mean "2 times" "3 times"?

    say your betting $5. does it go 5, 5, 10, 5, 10, 5, 15, 5, 15, 5, 20, 5, 20???

    sorry if these are stupid questions, but im a little confused.


    Yep, that's exactly what it means.
  • ok, i have another possibly stupid question.

    what are the basic rules of the progression?
    do you stay in the progression only if you keep winning hands? or do you stay in the progression regardless?

    i have tried a few progressions. but i never will start one until i win at least 2 hands in a row. is that how this one works?
  • Buffarino said:
    Sld, if I didn't know you were a 40+ year old ambulance chaser, I'd think you were a punk high schooler. Settle down.


    Buffarino -- You say "ambulance chaser" like it's a bad thing. :wink:
  • bill said:
    ok, i have another possibly stupid question.

    what are the basic rules of the progression?
    do you stay in the progression only if you keep winning hands? or do you stay in the progression regardless?

    i have tried a few progressions. but i never will start one until i win at least 2 hands in a row. is that how this one works?



    Bill- 1. Basicly, a positive progression increases the wager when you win and a negative progression increases the wager when you lose. There are too many variables to each progression to specificly address each one in this post.

    2. From what this rookie understands, positive progressions (like Dahl's and SLD's) have a specific end point (loss of a hand). Other progressions (like Mr. Thomason's and SLD's) have added an extra end point (4 losses in a row). Or a person can have a stop win/loss point (x% of your bankroll).

    3. I understand the SLD007 progression starts at hand #1.
  • Sld, if I didn't know you were a 40+ year old ambulance chaser, I'd think you were a punk high schooler. Settle down.


    Hey why dont YOU butt-out and learn how to make some sense and get a clue before you start ragging on someone who OWNZ you completely.

    So BEND.
  • Desert Dog said:
    [quote=Buffarino]Sld, if I didn't know you were a 40+ year old ambulance chaser, I'd think you were a punk high schooler. Settle down.


    Buffarino -- You say "ambulance chaser" like it's a bad thing. :wink:[/quote]

    Did I catch you in that net too, DD?

    Sorry about that. I guess I don't understand the Jr. High mentality of a couple of the posters on this board and I tend to shoot back.
  • Hello to all of my "fans". Just got back. To answer some of the previous inquiries:

    1. My 66% win percentage simply means that since I have adopted my 007 progression, I walk OUT OF THE CASINO with more money (no matter how what the increment) than I walked in with 66% of the time. Of course, one must know when to stop, one must know when to rest, bet, drink, etc.

    2. The x is one hand played. If you win you go to the next x, then 2x... If you lose you go directly to x and start over.

    Sorry guys about the loss of temper. My company is being acquired this week and I can't decide whether to parachute out or continue working. Ahh, the trials and tribulations of ambulance chasing...(I'm actually a corporate/real estate VP and attorney, but "building chaser" just doesn't have the same pizzaz to it...know what I mean, Vern?
  • Ah, you got suckered in :( Anyway, no need to apologize to that dude. He asked for it, he got it, TOYOTA.

    yADiG?!
  • Buffarino said:
    [quote=Desert Dog][quote=Buffarino]Sld, if I didn't know you were a 40+ year old ambulance chaser, I'd think you were a punk high schooler. Settle down.


    Buffarino -- You say "ambulance chaser" like it's a bad thing. :wink:[/quote]

    Did I catch you in that net too, DD?

    Sorry about that. I guess I don't understand the Jr. High mentality of a couple of the posters on this board and I tend to shoot back.[/quote]

    We need the ambulance chasers. They keep other attorneys employed.
    "Any town that can't support one lawyer can usually support two." -- Mark Twain.

    Yep, I'm an attorney too. Not practicing law anymore, but working in a related field, and I keep my license current. I did personal injury work in my early years, then switched to corporate litigation. In the movie Clueless, the teenage girl says "My dad's a litigator. That's the meanest kind of lawyer."
  • Desert Dog said:
    In the movie Clueless, the teenage girl says "My dad's a litigator. That's the meanest kind of lawyer."


    AND??!??!?!?!?!?! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
  • Desert Dog said:
    [quote=Buffarino][quote=Desert Dog][quote=Buffarino]Sld, if I didn't know you were a 40+ year old ambulance chaser, I'd think you were a punk high schooler. Settle down.


    Buffarino -- You say "ambulance chaser" like it's a bad thing. :wink:[/quote]

    Did I catch you in that net too, DD?

    Sorry about that. I guess I don't understand the Jr. High mentality of a couple of the posters on this board and I tend to shoot back.[/quote]

    We need the ambulance chasers. They keep other attorneys employed.
    "Any town that can't support one lawyer can usually support two." -- Mark Twain.

    Yep, I'm an attorney too. Not practicing law anymore, but working in a related field, and I keep my license current. I did personal injury work in my early years, then switched to corporate litigation. In the movie Clueless, the teenage girl says "My dad's a litigator. That's the meanest kind of lawyer."[/quote]

    Wow. So you really were an ambulance chaser... 8)

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