soft doubles that i don't get
  • ok. strange question out of the blue.

    BS says against dealer up card of 4: A/2 & A/3 = H
    A/4 = DD

    why? either way, there are teh exact same number of cards that can give you a pat hand? why arent the plays the same?
    please do not say "because the computer said so."
    i have never really given the matter any attention before, i just did it. but had the plays come up back to back while i was playing and just made me wonder.
  • Because in the long run (there's that phrase again), you will lose LESS if you don't double A2 and A3 against a dealer's 4, but rather just hit it.

    And sorry, it is because of a very old computer manned by a very old and very astute mathematician back in 1962 named Jules Braun that proves me correct.
  • thats what makes me wonder about this... 4 up for the dealer is a loser against all those hands. you're probably going to win either way. the question is why is one soft hand better that the other, to me, they are both the same... there are five out of thirteen cards that can give me a pat hand.

    hmm, i think in writing about it i just answered my own question. because with a A/2 its not that you wouldnt double your money, its that you want to be able to take another card... if you could double your money and take multiple cards, I think BS would say do it on A/2 & A/3...

    I AM SATISFIED. sorry for my insane ramblings, but sometimes when i write things down it makes me understand better... and i think i get it.

    with a/2 & a/3 you will ultimately up your percentage of hands won by hitting, and maybe hitting again... with a/4 teh possibilty of an extra hit is outweiged by the benefit of having more money out.
  • Drew, don't apologize - you asked a very good question. And you thought about it, and came up with the right answer.

    It might seem strange at first, but hitting A3v4 actually has a higher expected value (EV) than doubling A4v4. And, whether you double A2, A3, A4 or A5 v 5 you get exactly the same EV.
  • Has anyone ever hit or double on A/7, then hear the dealer announce to the pit "HITTING A7"? Even when they don't announce it, they look at me puzzled wanting to know do I really want to hit. Am I being singled out as a possible skilled player, or, is the dealer just confirming to the pit my seemingly dumb play? I have eperienced many dealers in various casinos question my decision to hit A7's.
  • Drew: To clarify A/2 vs. 4 as compared to A/4 vs. 4. Although both holdings will make a pat hand only five times out of thirteen, taking a hit to A/2 will make you want a second hit if you catch four cards (an Ace, 2, 3 or 4). Hitting A/4, you'd want a second hit only when you catch an Ace or a deuce.
  • Has anyone ever hit or double on A/7, then hear the dealer announce to the pit "HITTING A7"?

    Basic recommends hitting A7 vs. 9-10-A, DD vs. 3 to 6, S vs. 2-7-8.

    Foul that up, and just maybe the dealer will shout. Examples include DD vs. 2.

    Dealer usually SHOULD keep quiet otherwise.

    Next time tell the dealer "I'm gambling", and make the correct BS play.

    N&B
  • NnB, Not the dealer, but the know-it-all next to me was telling me I was wrong. Unfortunately it was an off session for me so it made him appear (and feel) he was right.
  • PJ, I've never had a dealer announce "Hitting soft A7", but don't let that force you to make the wrong play. You can say something like, "I'm thinking you have a ten underneath which will beat my 18."

    I once had a dealer give me a hard time taking insurance against a 12 and a 13. He said, "You should insure a 20 or a 19 or a good hand, but don't bother with a 12." All the others agreed it was poor judgment to insure such a bad hand. The game stopped while the conversation continued. This was really bad - Up until this point, I had been playing the stupid gambler: asking questions, acting indecisive, pretending to be surprised every time the dealer drew a 5 to a 16. Finally, at the risk of blowing my cover, I looked him straight in the eye and I said, "I think you have a ten underneath. The insurance bet stays." He checked his hole card and silently flipped over a jack.
  • Well idano about the rest of yall, but I really cant stand those dealers who dont even KNOW BS, and just guess they do cuz they been dealing awhile, etc. I was at a 6-deck table listening, and this guy had two 9's against a 9, asked the black dealer if splitting was ok, he replied with "HELL NAW THAT'S 18!!!" :roll: :roll: :roll:

    I was already thinking how stupid that and many dealers are.... and they're the ones that are supposed to be helping the PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!! What's that all about?! :roll: :roll:
  • Bug, dealers work for the casino - they're not "supposed" to help the players.

    Don't expect them to know BS. You'll be much happier.
  • They don't build those mountains of steel in the desert 'cause people win.
  • Mr. Ed said:
    Bug, dealers work for the casino - they're not "supposed" to help the players.

    Don't expect them to know BS. You'll be much happier.


    Well, I understand they work for them but some actually pull out the BS card and show us that it is indeed the best play. Others simply talk out there ass and ASSume they know what they're talking about... :roll: :roll: :roll:
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  • PJ said:
    Has anyone ever hit or double on A/7, then hear the dealer announce to the pit "HITTING A7"? Even when they don't announce it, they look at me puzzled wanting to know do I really want to hit. Am I being singled out as a possible skilled player, or, is the dealer just confirming to the pit my seemingly dumb play? I have eperienced many dealers in various casinos question my decision to hit A7's.


    Where I usually play the dealers know BS well enough to know hitting or doubling A-7 is sometimes the right move. But often some other player doesn't, and grumbles a lot. Shuts up fast when I get a 3. While the dealers are trained not to advise players on what their move should be, they will jump in and say a player played correctly if someone complains, to throw water on an argument before it starts.

    Desert Dog
  • sld007 said:
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    Dont be salty.

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