Nickels_n_Bullets said:You First!
Give us something to aim for.
N0 Basic with 6D DOA DAS LS 75% is 100,000 +/- 1,000
I'm sure no matter what we post, you'll do better.
and oh, BTW, Advantage Players will sometimes not draw, or surrender, or DD wherein the Basic Player will do otherwise. Going back over the records will alter the shoe, as the hands will be played different.
Tiltless said:
You cannot even calculate card counting probabilities against real world casinos as the casinos will change the rules of the game as the game is played. They also make these changes without any notification nor warning. The real world BJ rules are "fluid" Ray, they are NOT standard. Your conclusion that you can gain an advantage against such games with a proper bankroll is so inane that anyone would question your math credentials.
Ray said:Does anyone remember the location of QFIT'S Scam site? The one that
compares flat betting, progressions and card counting.
LeonShuffle said:Witless,
I'm not usually rude to people on public forums but you've proven yourself to be a complete idiot. Do you realize you're talking to some people who KNOW card counting works because that's what we do? It's been proven over and over and over and over again that no progression will overcome a game with a house edge.
As far as progressions being better than card-counting, imagine this: You and I are playing at a roulette wheel. It's normal roulette except that as each number comes up, it disappears off the wheel. You're betting black, I'm betting red. The first two numbers that come up are both black. As a counter, I would now bet bigger on red because there are two more, and therefore a better chance of the ball landing on red. As a progression bettor, you would now bet bigger on black because you won the last two. Which one is the smarter play?
Tiltless said:Of course you are wrong again Leon - so wrong I doubt if you learned very much in your school. What is the name of your school, your real name, and the name of your math professor? After your post above, we need to check your credentials. If you believe the casino BJ could be beaten by card counting, as you stated above, then you seriously need to repeat some math classes. The only person I have seen moronic enough to make such statements before was Ingram & Cowley but we know they were retards. Where are you getting your obviously flawed information Leon? Certainly not from your college professors I hope?
Please name the mathematicians that claim BJ can be beaten if the cut card goes to 50% penetration in a 2D H17 game. Please name the mathematicians that claim BJ can be beaten if you get preferential shuffle. Please name the mathematicians that claim BJ can be beaten if you are restricted to flat bet only by the casino.
What you are saying is that based upon your studies of your "non-existent kitchen-table rules and game" you **think** that card counting can beat your kitchen table game. And you obviously **think** that your kitchen-table-BJ is comparable with casino BJ.
However, we do know that casinos need to keep the suckers coming in to make money. We also know, and the casinos know, that eventually they will run out of suckers. Casinos "mill" players. Once a player has lost all of his available money, there is a very good chance that player will stop playing casino games forever. Moreover, considering all the new competition in casino games, the overall reservoir (herd) of casino suckers is dwindling. So it is absolutely imperative that casinos hire people (public relations experts they are called) to tout and publish and post on newsgroups various pro casino hype. The casinos need all this hype and suggestions and fraudulent claims that "you can win big money - if you use card counting.
The only BJ game that can be beaten using card counting is the Single deck, S17, DAS, with 99% penetration. The way was originally set-up during Thorps era when the entire state of Nevada was dealing only single decks all the way down to the last card.
Have a nice day,
Tiltless
Larz177 said:SSR:
I was confident that one of you would take exception and in your case make an accusation - the crack about 'poor record keeping'. For whatever it's worth the record keeping is exhaustive and complete. I didn't say that I almost never lose, in fact depending on how you want to break it up, I have more losing trips than winning. But the winners more than balance. Don't believe me, that's fine, but I resent the inference that I am either incompetent at keeping track, or worse, a liar.
What about the honest question as to whether non- AP's may win consecutive hands due to a positive count and profit by having more money on the table, just as you might?
In any event, I'm not taking the bait and joining the fray. This is the last you'll hear from me on this but for what it's worth Bug House was less condescending and more entertaining than some of the current regulars.
Regards and good luck to all.
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