rule 4 5 (16 vs dealer 10)
  • accordking to blackjack book II states that

    if u get 16 with any 4 or 5 inside your cards , vs dealer 10

    then u should stand your card

    but another theory is if u got 16 vs 10 , when the pic on the table is more than the babies , then u should hit it ,
    then how about in this case but i also get 4 5 inside my card , i should stand or hit ??

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    another question is if rule 4 5 also applicable to dealer got A

    no hole card game dont know the dealer got BJ or not

    so if i got 16 with 4 5 inside , i should hit or stand vs dealer A (with chance he can get BJ )
  • beyond14, There is a hierarchy that should govern your decision making.
    It goes like so:

    - Basic strategy
    - Hand composition
    - Board counting
    - Card counting

    The rule of 45 relates to hand composition only.
    More 10's showing relates to board counting.
    The rule of 45 does not apply to dealer Ace.

    With 4 players at a table it is possible to have the following correct plays:

    Basic player hits 16 vs 10*******
    Hand comp player with 4/5 stands on 16 vs 10
    Board count player hits 16 vs 10
    Counter stands on 16 vs 10

    All are correct plays because each individual has a different level of
    knowledge.

    *******If the basic strategy player was aware of the rule of 45 he would stand
    even when the 4/5 is in someone elses hand. In this case we assume that he is
    unaware.

    Suggestion- One read thru Renzey's book will not gain max value. You need
    to study same................
  • When the dealer shows an Ace,he will bust only about 17% of the time,so sticking on 16 will win only about
    17% of the time.Hitting will increase the chances of not losing the hand.
  • Hi Ray - I am a total newbie and have just started to read Renzey's book but I am not making any sense out of your suggestion...can you be more specific? Thanks


    Suggestion- One read thru Renzey's book will not gain max value. You need
    to study same................[/QUOTE]
  • Ray -- Superb explanation!
  • Angelina- When I first heard of blackjack I thought it was some kind of
    simple "show-down" game. Simple as hell because you only get 2 measly
    cards. Right? Well, how wrong can you get? Blackjack is complex & also
    a moving target from one card to the next. That is why I say that you need
    to study Renzey's book or any other book. Each time you go thru a section
    a new awareness occurs. Writers can't say everthing and many times your
    understanding occurs because you put two and two together from one section to another. I'm not a teacher, so that's as good as I can do.
  • Thanks for clarifying for me. Angelina
  • Ray said:
    beyond14, There is a hierarchy that should govern your decision making.
    It goes like so:

    - Basic strategy
    - Hand composition
    - Board counting
    - Card counting

    The rule of 45 relates to hand composition only.
    More 10's showing relates to board counting.
    The rule of 45 does not apply to dealer Ace.

    With 4 players at a table it is possible to have the following correct plays:

    Basic player hits 16 vs 10*******
    Hand comp player with 4/5 stands on 16 vs 10
    Board count player hits 16 vs 10
    Counter stands on 16 vs 10

    All are correct plays because each individual has a different level of
    knowledge.

    *******If the basic strategy player was aware of the rule of 45 he would stand
    even when the 4/5 is in someone elses hand. In this case we assume that he is
    unaware.

    Suggestion- One read thru Renzey's book will not gain max value. You need
    to study same................


    When my wife doubles down on hard 16 V dealer 10, I don't say anything, I always figured she was a board counter, j/k
  • double down hard 16vs 10? i never see such mad ppl

    when I get the forth to sixth cards to 14-16 vs dealer 10 or A still hit , already many "clever" guy say i m crazy

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