My condensed Multi-Deck strategy
  • I'm going to skip some explanations and try to make this as simple as possible. On multi-deck, play basic strategy. Don't waste your time counting. Counting has little effect on a multi deck game. Counting doesn't come into play until the final 3 decks, and they usually cut out two decks in a multi deck game. Shuffle tracking works, but it's for team play. Play a multi deck the following way.

    FINDING A GOOD TABLE
    Any of the following facts may help you find a good table. Stand behind the players at a table and watch how the cards are falling. Is the dealer busting on counts of 12 thru 16? Is the dealer tray low on chips? This possibly shows the dealer is paying out money. Do the players at a table have a large amount of chips? One or two players may have bought in for a lot of money, but not the entire table. This can indicate a hot table. Is a security guard bringing chips to a table because the dealer tray needs refilled? Is a specific spot hot.

    Money Management
    This tool is just as important as counting cards. Example: You are at a $10 minimum table and you bet $10. You win. The dealer gives you $10. You bring the entire $10 in. You win again. Now you put $5 on top of your original $10. You now have a $15 bet. You win again. You put $5 more on your bet for a total of $20. You win again. You now start over with a $10 bet. This is called a 1, 1, 1.5, 2 betting strategy. You pay yourself first after your first win. This will keep you in the game. After you win four in a row you start all over. You can use this strategy with any size base bet. Example: A $10 base is $10,$10,$15,$20. A $20 base is $20,$20,$30,$40. A $50 base is $50,$50,$75,$100. A more aggressive approach would be a 1, 1, 2, 3 betting strategy. A $10 base would be $10,$10,$20,$30. You will see many players who play with the proper strategy, but they have no money management. You will see them eventually lose their winnings. I usually use the 1,1, 1.5, 2, betting strategy. If it's a $10 table, when I reach $20 I keep on going. I go to $25, $30, etc. I still double down and split cards.

    You are better off taking a specific amount of cash. If you lose it, do not get more money. You are throwing good money after bad. You should at least take 20 times your minimum bet to play. For example: $5 minimum per play would be $100. Know when to walk away with your profits. If you are ahead at a table, and the dealer goes on a streak and wins 4 in a row, then leave, find a new table. Some players may be ahead only to lose it at the same table. Here is a little trick to make sure you walk away with your profits. Lets say you are using a base bet of $10. This means you have at least $200. At the end of the shoe you have $300. Take the extra $100 and put it to the side. Do not use it to bet. Do this at the end of each shoe. If you end the shoe with less than $200 then start the next shoe with what you have left, do not use your profits. Once the $200 runs out, then check your profits that you placed away from your playing chips. If you have more than $200 then start again if you like. Anything extra goes in your pocket. If you have less than $200 then you are done. This will keep your losses to a minimum.

    I like to start a shoe with 4 base bets. At a $10 table I start with $40. If at any time I lose 4 base bets more than I've won or lose 4 in a row then I quit that table or that shoe. When a streak ends, I put my winnings aside and go back to the $40. If I'm doing well I may raise my base bet later in the day.

    I've really condensed this, it works well for me. I was recently on a riverboat in Indiana. They had one 2 deck game. I couldn't get any where for a few hours. I went and played my system on their multi-deck, got my money back, won $300 more, went back to the 2 deck game when the multi-deck table started getting bad. At the 2 deck game I make $1,000 in half an hour. I couldn't get a bad card. Sometimes it happens like that.
  • I found this strategy works great on a shoe game where the count runs neutral. Count the first shoe, using a simple 10 is -1, 3 4 5 6 is +1. If the counts stays close throughtout the shoe, then I can use this system and make some bucks. I'll even play 2 spots using this system. When the shoe gets a clump of small cards together, (which the casino loves), you want to move on. Unless you know where the small clump is and cut it out of play. Wherever I go, the other players usually give me the cut card, because the shoe went so well. Have fun, turn off the emotions at the door. The casino is no place for competitive behavior.
  • That's fine if you think that works best for you. To each is own.

    But I am going to strongly disagree with you on the "Don't waste your time counting multi-deck games" comment. I have played 2D and 6D games where I have counted and reached good counts either right at the beginning or mid way thru the game, not always at the end. In 2D and 6D games the count can fluctuate at anytime not just "the end of the game". I've played enough sessions to observe that. Even my team member can testify to that. If you don't believe my word then just get 2 decks or 6 decks of cards (cut .8 decks off a 2D game and 1.4 decks off a 6D game) and simulate a game and count it. If you don't want to do it that way then just get a black jack simulator and see for yourself on your computer.

    I would only probably agree with your "Don't waste your time counting multiple deck games" comment with one particular game. 8 deck games, which are nealry impossible to get a good count the majority of the time.
  • garyblackjack- The theory of blackjack and the application of its elements have been discussed many times on this forum for strategy purposes.Those elements/theory differ completely with every statement that you have made. I can't find a single recommendation that is not in conflict with science. I don't think even those who drift toward the mystical would take your method seriously and it's hard to say what the more knowledgable players think or are about to say..................
  • Yep, I don't take his "theory" of BJ seriously either. No offense to him, but I just don't. Reason being because I always see the novice player use parts of his "theory" like ... "if the dealer is busting then it's a good table", "watch the chip rack if it is low". Thats all playing by feeling in my book and that isn't the best possible way to play BJ.

    Yes, I too am a firm believer on money managment being a huge key to being a successful player... but what Gary is saying is based on progression and a one session buy in. Correct money managment is based on what your TOTAL bank roll is and the table minimum. He's only basing his money managment system off of what he is buying in for in 1 session.

    Hahaha all I can say is I've been there done that when I first started out playing BJ years ago knowing the basics and nothing more and I tried the "gary system". All I can says is that it didn't work for me one bit and that I'm glad I picked up on a counting method.

    It's your life. If you wanna play by feeling and superstition that's fine. Or if you wanna play by the numbers and trust the math thats fine too. I'll stick to trusting the math over feeling anyday.
  • I'm still interested in getting a copy of that book from five years ago.
  • garyblackjack -- you are truly a genious. I can't believe winning at Blackjack is as simple as going on gut instinct and just seeing which dealers deal the better cards. I truly don't know why someone hasn't thought of that before. All this stupid talk of math and counting -- it just makes my head hurt. Its so much easier just to use your own intuition. Shame on everyone who posts on this forum and directs newbies to make their brains sizzle by counting numbers. As if adding or subtracting numbers in your head actually can help at all. Down with math. Down with science. Long live garyblackjack's new method. If the MIT team had known about this, they wouldn't have had to go to so much trouble.
  • Yeah too bad the MIT team made hundreds of thousands of dollars in the long run by counting. They even documented their yearly profits. Yeah, there were more playable games available anywhere you went in those days. But any non lazy person can still find a playable game wether your in Las Vegas or A.C today and still use counting effectively.
  • at one of our nearby indian reservation casinos they have a "no mid-shoe entry" on the double deck game and no such sign on the 6 deck shoe games. 'ya gotta love it, they don't see that i count the 6 deck shoe games with great success. sometimes i just sit right down,sometimes i wong in and wong out. i sure hope they keep believing that the 6 decker is safe from those counters!
    Prog
  • garyblackjack,
    Are you EVER going to tell me about your book?
  • garyblackjack said:
    I found this strategy works great on a shoe game where the count runs neutral. Count the first shoe, using a simple 10 is -1, 3 4 5 6 is +1. If the counts stays close throughtout the shoe, then I can use this system and make some bucks. I'll even play 2 spots using this system. When the shoe gets a clump of small cards together, (which the casino loves), you want to move on. Unless you know where the small clump is and cut it out of play. Wherever I go, the other players usually give me the cut card, because the shoe went so well. Have fun, turn off the emotions at the door. The casino is no place for competitive behavior.

    So let me get this straight. Money management is more important than counting but you just stated that you count the first shoe in deciding how to play? What gives?Lets see trust your feelings or trust the math. Not much of a choice there. Are you a schill or what?
  • Maybe it's better explained in the "book he wrote five years ago". I still am waiting for his reply!
  • Anyone Hear Of This Money Management System For Bj

    Please Let Me Know
    Thanks

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