KISS COUNT I: Mr Renzey & Senior Members
  • I have run a few simulations under casino rules testing your BS and KISS Card count I.

    After 10 simulations I came up about 100 units ahead after 10 shoes.

    My question is when the count is greater than 20 should I immediately increase my bet, or should I wait till at least a couple of decks have passed.

    Secondly should I wait for a few hands (at least two) to increase my bet while the count is greater than 20.

    I probably may have been further ahead, had I NOT increased my bet immediately when the KISS count was greater or equal to 20.

    By the way, I think from a psychological point of view it is easier to master the KISS COUNT I compared to II or III, because it is easier to recognise a J,Q or K but harder to pick up a 10 as the eyes may confuse it with a 9.

    Easier to look for a 4,5 or 6, as the idiot player(novice) considers these the bust cards.


    Whats your thoughts?
  • I don't want to burst your bubble, but just a couple things about your "simulations".
    - Ten shoes is totally meaningless (but it's a start, lol). That is about 160 hands, and you need a minimum of 50 million hands to even begin to prove anything.
    - Perhaps something was wrong with your test if you won 100 units in 10 shoes? Your expected win would be only about 1/1.5 units.

    Don't wait to raise your bet at RC of 20 or more......Follow Fred Renzey's instructions and charts.

    Good luck.....Grifter
  • Oh of course I know that 10 shoes is a small infinitely small simulation, but I was just doing a manual test run of Renzey's BS and KISS, to get a small picture of what I may expect.
  • WHAT IS AND WHERE DO I FIND OUT INFO ON
    BS and KISS
  • Player,
    BS is basic strategy -- the standard correct way to play each hand. KISS is a family of three card counting systems; entry level, intermediate and full structure. They are detailed and illustrated in Blackjack Bluebook II.
  • I am learning the kiss III count. I may be crazy but seems like when my count gets like 30+ the dealer beats me just like it was at 5. I am playing on computer w/ Hoyle's BJ. is this just a flute?:???: :confused:
  • dynomike said:
    I am learning the kiss III count. I may be crazy but seems like when my count gets like 30+ the dealer beats me just like it was at 5. I am playing on computer w/ Hoyle's BJ. is this just a flute?:???: :confused:


    You cannot count cards on that game. The cards are reshuffled after each hand.
  • cass- There is a version of "Hoyle Casino" where you can count cards and
    compare your count to the system count(H/L). Also, it has an Ace count.
    The shuffle depends on how you describe the game, decks,etc.
  • Oh really? Ive never heard of that. My mistake. I assumed it was like most computer bj.
  • Get Blackjack Bluebook II by Fred Renzey and become an Advantage Player!
    Best of luck-
    Prog

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