Is your typical casino experience like mine?
  • I arrive at my favorite joint, plop down a couple of Benjies, only to lose 4 or 5 hands in a row. Being down from the get go, I spend the next few hands flat betting the minimum, trying to catch up, only finding myself further down. Why can't it ever start the opposite way? When will I ever quit having to play catch up? Do serious card counters find this as their routine?
  • Tribute said:
    I arrive at my favorite joint, plop down a couple of Benjies, only to lose 4 or 5 hands in a row. Being down from the get go, I spend the next few hands flat betting the minimum, trying to catch up, only finding myself further down. Why can't it ever start the opposite way? When will I ever quit having to play catch up? Do serious card counters find this as their routine?


    Not routine... But it SEEMS to happen a lot!! Keep playing.
  • Well Stanford Wong says you are down most of the time your at the table. If you are on the right road (aka BS down pat efficent count system) all you can do is keep going. Besides all that matters is what you leave with not how much flux you went through to get there.Keep going
  • Tribute - Your situation is not unique. The very nature of the game causing the player to move before the dealer will cause the player to loose most of the hands. I had luck like yours for over 20 years. It wasn’t until 2002, when I learned to count and took a partner that it all changed. What we do as partners is not unusual in team play. My partner is a low limit player, but an excellent counter. While she plays, I watch her from a distance. If the count becomes very favorable, she signals me. I join the game with high limit play and in just a few hands, we can usually do very well. All of this probably sounds easier than it really is. I sometimes must wait for several shoes before being signaled and then I might not be able to get a seat. However, if you are patient, it will work quite well.
  • Tribute - Your situation is not unique. The very nature of the game causing the player to move before the dealer will cause the player to loose most of the hands. I had luck like yours for over 20 years. It wasn’t until 2002, when I learned to count and took a partner that it all changed. What we do as partners is not unusual in team play. My partner is a low limit player, but an excellent counter. While she plays, I watch her from a distance. If the count becomes very favorable, she signals me. I join the game with high limit play and in just a few hands, we can usually do very well. All of this probably sounds easier than it really is. I sometimes must wait for several shoes before being signaled and then I might not be able to get a seat. However, if you are patient, it will work quite well.
  • If your partner signals for you to start playing what gaurantee are you getting that you will get good hands.... The dealer has just as good of a chance to get a good hand as anyone else..... I love this site with all of its counting and other out of space thinking...... I play 2 to 3 times a week have learned to count and see no advantage to.... have had favorable cases counting and the dealer still beats my 19 or 20 with just one point..... I wish the voodoo counting myth would go away and stop sending false hope to the new players....
  • Just a note on progression betting....

    1. you have a 50/50 chance to win one hand....

    2. It is very hard to win the next hand.....

    3 It's almost impossible to win three hands in a row.....

    4. By some miracle you might win four hands in a row..

    5. Winning five hands in a row should make you go home and count all of your money you have just won.....

    Now you know how to do progressive betting.....I do it and win 80% of the times I play. Even with that I still can not get by the $25.00 starting bet.
  • Hey normie if this counting stuff is not true and you consider it voodoo, tell me how did those kids from MIT win millions playing blackjack? I know it wasn't from any progression betting. There is nobody getting banned from casinos for playing progression blackjack. You know why, they want you to play that way. There is a chance you might win some money quick, and if you do, its all over. Once you win what you think is easy money you get hooked and always think you'll win. And when you don't, you'll always think back to the time you did, and thats what you'll remember most. Its an addicting feeling and you'll always rationalize what you're doing is okay and it will be better next time if you lose this time. Just like a drug addict, and the casino is the drug dealer. You might even turn into a storytelling freak like AlexD30 and not know who you want to be from one month to the next. I believe counting works because the casinos are afraid of it. It costs them enough money to want to kick people out who do it. My opinion is progressions are for either lazy people who want free money without workin for it. Play scratch off games if thats the case. Or its for recreational players who only play once in a while and could care less about the long term. And if you don't think you fit in any of those categories, well then its too late you're already an addict heading for Alexville.
  • Suppose you drive down to your local casino for a 4 hour session of 6 deck.
    Further, suppose you normally average about 80 hands an hour for a total
    320 hands. Would you believe that how you do for the night will be determined by how you do on about 12-16 large bets. 12/320 or 16/320 means that you may need a lot of recovery in a very limited number of hands.

    If what I say has merit, it should make anyone think about:

    - Adopting a play all strategy for shoe games
    - Playing negative counts
    - Using a conservative bet spread
    - Playing an un-playable game

    Those who call counting Voodoo don't Know how to play the game, plain and simple.
  • unclenorm said:
    If your partner signals for you to start playing what gaurantee are you getting that you will get good hands.... The dealer has just as good of a chance to get a good hand as anyone else..... I love this site with all of its counting and other out of space thinking...... I play 2 to 3 times a week have learned to count and see no advantage to.... have had favorable cases counting and the dealer still beats my 19 or 20 with just one point..... I wish the voodoo counting myth would go away and stop sending false hope to the new players....


    I guess at your casino the dealer must be able to double, split and you pay that dealer 3/2 when he/she gets a blackjack?????????? Otherwise your statement makes no sense at all

    You bet big at the time when a blackjack is more likely, and you will win more of your doubles and splits. Sure the dealer might get the natural but you only pay him 1/1. I wish the voodoo progression myths would go away and stop helping build many more casinos. A progression is a mathematical impossiblity to win long run, you will lose accordingly to the house edge and your skill but the trip will be much more interesting that flat betting.

    Anyway, I am out of these discussions on progressions now because I know that progression players make it possible for me to continue to play.

    ihate17
  • unclenorm said:
    If your partner signals for you to start playing what gaurantee are you getting that you will get good hands.... The dealer has just as good of a chance to get a good hand as anyone else..... I love this site with all of its counting and other out of space thinking...... I play 2 to 3 times a week have learned to count and see no advantage to.... have had favorable cases counting and the dealer still beats my 19 or 20 with just one point..... I wish the voodoo counting myth would go away and stop sending false hope to the new players....

    So UN we should all drop the counting crap and play by luck and progressive betting? Surely you jest.Maybe we should pitch in and get you to a witchdoctor to help remove the voodoo that is clouding your thinking.
  • I didn't say anything about how you should play... If you count and do progressive betting and enjoy playing that's up to you.

    I do neither but I do observe cards that are on the table and from the previous hand...

    Phillip Cline wrote a good book about percentages and I think he is the one person who is the most honest about how to play Blackjack.

    There used to be a poster Surfteq that was also very realistic in how he/she played.

    I have a two hand progression that I use if you want to call that progression betting, then I do bet somewhat that way...

    I try to think of the percentage of my hand verses the dealers hand and if I want to hit my hand and bust or not..

    WORKS WELL FOR ME... BUT,,,, PLAY YOUR OWN WAY AND ENJOY

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