Booker said:I just wanted to update the progress me and my buddies have been making playing "advantage" blackjack. One word- AWESOME! We started with $3000 between 3 guys. Our first trip using the cut card placement game and a little counting we made an additional $3300. The bankroll than became $6300. Next we went to A.C. to the casino Bojack told us to hit for the cut game. Well we stayed 3 days and 2 nights and made an additional $3800. We made one more trip up to the upstate NY casino, The Turning Stone, and beat them for another $1200. The bankroll is now over $11,000 on just 3 trips. Now my question is what else can we do to capitalize on our now much bigger bankroll? We've tried shuffletracking but its not working out, my buddies can't count good enough yet. Are there any other techniques out there we can use that are compareable to the cut game in advantage and success? This sure has been fun, I'd like to keep it going. Thanks for any advice.
learningtocount said:Keep double your money and do not lose back any more than that. About ten years there was the MIT blackjack team that one a million dollars playing blackjack and got kicked out of a lot of casinos. The kicker is they ended up losing all or most of the money back.
Deviance said:Tcash, please read these two threads. They outline the method used:
http://www.hitorstand.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2545
http://www.hitorstand.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2591
Booker said:nctom, Thanks for the input and the concern, I'll take any advice I can get. But as far as betting the Kelly criterion, basically broken down I thought it meant to for every percent of advantage you have bet that percentage of your bankroll. So even with a $10,000 bankroll if I'm landing an ace in my hand I have about a 51% advantage, which would mean a $5100 bet. Ive never bet that much ever but I have put up $1000 on it. So if anything I'm underbetting using Kelly. This way of playing is so different than just counting I think different betting rules apply. I'm still learning, but I must say so far I've never had that feeling of desparation even when I lose $2000 in 1 hour. Anymore info from anyone is appreciated. Thanks
Booker said:Just got back from A.C. yesterday. Let me tell youI'm seriously contemplating taking a leave of absence from my regular job. We got to A.C. on thursday night, it was kind of crowded so we really didn't play until 4 am Friday morning. We made $900 in 2 hours. Friday was mobbed so we barely played until late that night. The crowd was still heavy at night so we decide to take a chance and play the high rollers pit because there was no crowd in there and we could get our own table. So me and one of my partners took $5000 a piece and sat down in the high rollers pit and left our other partner with $2000 to be called in if we landed something to shuffletrack. In 1 hour we lost $2000 because our cut game didn't work out for us. We landed an ace both times perfectly, but it was matched with a 4 the first time, and a 5 the next, we lost both times. On top of that there was nothing really notable to track. And then it all changed. Over the next 5 hours we won back our $2000 that we lost plus another $4000. The only reason we quit was we were exausted. Saturday night all three of us sat in the high rollers pit. We stayed there for 7 hours and made another $4700, for atotal profit on the trip of $9600. Our bankroll is now over $20,000. At this point I believe with a little luck, and the playing methods we use we can beat the casinos on a fairly regular basis. My only question is, is $20,000 enough to play this game full time. I'm only 25 with no real responsibilities and so are my partners. I'm thinking we can do it. Any opinions, I'd like to hear them.
Booker said:Hello Cass, You see the thing is I don't feel I'm overbetting my bankroll. I think the problem is experienced players who count can't understand the cut game's advantages when played correctly. Just recently we played $100 dollar minumum tables because we had to, to get anywhere between a 13% and 100% advantage. Usually we only bet $25 minimums. But because we could'nt get our own table we took a chance and it worked out for us. Now with the the bankroll we have I believe we can seriously bet $100 minimums. I really need Bojack to step up and explain what is going on here. He walked me through every step of the way on this. He can explain why we can bet and win more than just an average counter. Cass you realized it yourself, when I know I'm getting an ace its a 51% advantage. When as a counter do you have that.... NEVER! This system, along with counting is as close to unbeatable as you can get. I know I can still lose, but I also know I will win more than I will lose because the math says so. And thats what all counters should understand. The house has the advantage because they go last, and even if they bust but you busted first they win. You change it all when you know what you're getting in your hand before you bet, or even better if you know what the dealer holds in his hand. This is a powerful way to play. Please talk to Bojack about it . Practice it. Its not like anything you'll ever experience as a counter. I'm beginning to see how the MIT students usually always won, and just plain counters struggle just to see a small advantage. Please believe me you need more.
Booker said:Bojack I must say I'm disapointed with your reaction to my success. Of all people I thought you would understand how it is. Are you that pompous to think you're the only one that can do this for a living? I can't believe you don't have faith in your own system of playing. The same one you taught me, and now I'm winning tremendously and all of a sudden I'm just lucky? Maybe there's some luck involved, but I'm also pretty darn good at it. Well its too bad I don't have your support, but honestly I don't need it. I play the tables, you don't play them for me. In 2 weeks my team and I go full time. Then you'll see whats what. I'll post my trips good or bad. All I can say to the doubters prepare to eat your words.
Booker said:Bojack I must say I'm disapointed with your reaction to my success. Of all people I thought you would understand how it is. Are you that pompous to think you're the only one that can do this for a living? I can't believe you don't have faith in your own system of playing. The same one you taught me, and now I'm winning tremendously and all of a sudden I'm just lucky? Maybe there's some luck involved, but I'm also pretty darn good at it. Well its too bad I don't have your support, but honestly I don't need it. I play the tables, you don't play them for me. In 2 weeks my team and I go full time. Then you'll see whats what. I'll post my trips good or bad. All I can say to the doubters prepare to eat your words.
Booker said:Well we did it again. Our first trip as full timers netted us $2400. I know its not a killing, but its a win. We toned it down a little and played a $25 - $200 spread. Except with the cut game where we did a $50-$500 spread. Nothing real exciting happened, just good consistent playing. Still can't land the shuffletrack like Bojack, but we'll keep trying because seeing that work first hand has got me really motivated to get it down, it's a pretty powerful thing to play. Its just hard to master. We also stayed away from the high rollers pit like we were advised and we got absolutely no heat. So with the $3000 I got with Bojack and the $2400 from this past weekend thats another $5400. Half is going to the bankroll the other half in our pockets. Thats how we're going to try to work it for now. Next trip is thursday for 2 days. Our goal is to get our bankroll up to $50,000 then hit Vegas. I'll keep posting the results as we go.
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