This is getting good
  • I just wanted to update the progress me and my buddies have been making playing "advantage" blackjack. One word- AWESOME! We started with $3000 between 3 guys. Our first trip using the cut card placement game and a little counting we made an additional $3300. The bankroll than became $6300. Next we went to A.C. to the casino Bojack told us to hit for the cut game. Well we stayed 3 days and 2 nights and made an additional $3800. We made one more trip up to the upstate NY casino, The Turning Stone, and beat them for another $1200. The bankroll is now over $11,000 on just 3 trips. Now my question is what else can we do to capitalize on our now much bigger bankroll? We've tried shuffletracking but its not working out, my buddies can't count good enough yet. Are there any other techniques out there we can use that are compareable to the cut game in advantage and success? This sure has been fun, I'd like to keep it going. Thanks for any advice.
  • First I would like to say congratulations to your immediate success. Now for my advice, enjoy some of that money won. Spend it on something for yourself or pay some bills. Reason being, it goes as fast as it comes, and if your not careful all that money you just won will be gone before you realize it. Blackjack can be a wonderful game to play one day, and an absolute nightmare the next. Even if you're doing everything right sometimes the cards just don't fall in your favor. So the best advice I would give to you Booker is, don't let winning get to your head, stay grounded and don't try to take on too much at one time. And for now enjoy your new found wealth.
  • Booker said:
    I just wanted to update the progress me and my buddies have been making playing "advantage" blackjack. One word- AWESOME! We started with $3000 between 3 guys. Our first trip using the cut card placement game and a little counting we made an additional $3300. The bankroll than became $6300. Next we went to A.C. to the casino Bojack told us to hit for the cut game. Well we stayed 3 days and 2 nights and made an additional $3800. We made one more trip up to the upstate NY casino, The Turning Stone, and beat them for another $1200. The bankroll is now over $11,000 on just 3 trips. Now my question is what else can we do to capitalize on our now much bigger bankroll? We've tried shuffletracking but its not working out, my buddies can't count good enough yet. Are there any other techniques out there we can use that are compareable to the cut game in advantage and success? This sure has been fun, I'd like to keep it going. Thanks for any advice.




    I don't know the details, but it sounds liek you have gotten extremely lucky. Congradulations on your early success. My suggestion would be that now you have a substantial BR dont overbet it. Keep your top bet at 1% of your total BR. that way you will be much less likely to give a lot of it back. Overbetting kills Bankrolls!!!
  • Booker glad to hear you have gotten off to a good start. All I can add is keep studing the basics, keep it simple ,and make a cocerted effort to not Overbet your bank roll.
  • Booker, It sounds like you're doing great, congratulations. It seems you're a quick study. But be forewarned you are definitely going to lose sometimes so don't be careless with your bankroll. $11,000 is nice but if played carelessly between 3 people its really nothing. For a conservative approach I would divide the bankroll by between 400 or 500 to find a proper betting unit. Somewhere in the vicinity of $25. You might find that a little conservative, but if your counting is not quite up to par I think you'll be safe with that unit until it is. In the meantime it will still be a large enough unit to take advantage of the cut game you've been doing so well with. But you should get everybody to really start counting well so you can take advantage of more than just the sloppy dealers. Shuffletracking works best with really good meticulous dealers. So once you get that down you won't have to search for a specific type of dealer, you'll have techniques that have a good chance of beating all of them. Keep up the good work and practice, practice, practice. Good Luck
  • Hey Booker, very nice but three trips does not a trend make. Please understand, I am not out to temper your enthusiasm. I know the previous posts are not exactly the kind of advice you wanted to hear but they are of the best advice. Unless you have a really well seasoned team with finely honed counting skills, you cannot win over the long term. I well know the euphoric invincible feeling you all have now but prepare for the worst. Winning is easy to handle. The difficult part is to keep your strategy when you go into the tank. Even the best players experience days when the cards just don’t come. When that day comes, and it will, it’s most important that you and your team remain focused. The experts will agree that this is easier said then done. The tendency is to loose discipline. All it takes is one team member to panic and start betting heavier in an effort to recover what was lost. Bottom line - Don't give up, practice counting often and together, keep the team friendly and most of all have fun.
  • Thanks for all the input, but I think there is something most of you are missing. We are playing a technique where the advantage can range from 13% to 51%, even 100% if we make the dealer bust. Its not your typical 1% to 2% counting game. Although we do count (mostly me, but the others are getting better) its more to hold down the fort while we wait for another chance to steer a card into our hand. We have lost some big hands, but we've won more than we lost. I know its not a sure thing to win all the time, but this I know, with advantage percentages that high in our favor we have a better shot than just counting. Bojack I know you understand this because I learned it from you. So far its been excellent, when we lose its okay because we know the potential is always there. We will keep working on the counting and shuffletracking to broaden our possibilities, but in the meantime this is just what I said before AWESOME. I can't believe more players don't do this. Bojack you should write a book. Anyway thanks and I'll keep posting my results, good or bad.
  • Booker while I wish you all the best please be careful. The math of the game can be a cruel mistress if forgotten about.Might be time for an ego check?
  • I would like to know if with this cut card placement system if Booker's results are fairly typical or is this beginners luck? I know with counting these type of results would be purely luck, but I have no idea what one should expect from this cut card technique. I don't understand how it works, but those kind of advantage percentages seem that it might be possible to win fairly regularly. How does this system create such big advantage? I'm very curious as to the whole truth behind this. I would hope some of you experienced players could enlighten me on this. I would like to hear from Bojack about this, but really anyone's input would be appreciated.
  • Keep double your money and do not lose back any more than that. About ten years there was the MIT blackjack team that one a million dollars playing blackjack and got kicked out of a lot of casinos. The kicker is they ended up losing all or most of the money back.
  • learningtocount, I'm not sure if you do it on purpose or if you really are that misinformed. Just about everything you post is grossly inaccurate. There is no specific way of conserving a bankroll besides properly sizing your unit to it and playing near perfect advantage blackjack. No matter what you leave on the table you will lose if you don't do those things. And as far as the students from MIT, they formed numerous teams, most notable was first, Strategic Investments, than from that they split into two more notable teams called the Amphibians and the Reptiles. They won much more than a million dollars, and although many of the key players were banned from most casinos, they never lost all their money back. Most made other type of investments with that money and are doing quite well today. Some still teach and run blackjack teams to this day. I really think you would be better off listening to the advice on this forum instead of giving it. You could either discourage a new blackjack player, or even worse cost them money if they ever listened to you. Please calm down and listen for a while I'm quite sure you can benefit from it.
  • learningtocount said:
    Keep double your money and do not lose back any more than that. About ten years there was the MIT blackjack team that one a million dollars playing blackjack and got kicked out of a lot of casinos. The kicker is they ended up losing all or most of the money back.


    I'm convinced learningtocount works for the casinos.
  • This cut game thing has really gotten my interest. By the way Deviance thank you for directing me to the threads explaining it. Anyway I'm very curious Bojack where did you first learn this technique? And if Booker has some good success stories already, maybe you could share some of your good ones with us. I love hearing stories about big wins. Afterall it is what most of us strive for. And anybody thats got any good gambling stories, please share. Well for now I'll try practicing this cut game and see how hard it is to get.
  • I learned this cut card placement technique from one of the best, Semyon Dukach. I was lucky enough to meet him back in 1989 when we both were attending the same school in NYC. We graduated in 1990 and he went on to MIT to get his masters and I stayed in NY and got a job. Obviously that was when he got into the blackjack scene. We still kept in touch during that time, and he would tell me about this blackjack adventure he was on but I thought it was mostly bull. That was until 1994 when he visited me in NY with a ridiculous amount of cash. Right then I was hooked. Over the next year I learned all the MIT techniques from him and even passed a modified MIT checkout test. I never played on their team, but I started my own on a much smaller scale. By the end of 1996 I started playing full time and never looked back. My favorite gambling story comes from the MGM in vegas in 2001. I met Semyon there, by this time it was almost impossible for him to play there anymore. So for fun we made a $1 bet. The bet was we would go in, no teams, just us, and play. Low stakes $10 table, and whoever had the most money by the time they kicked him out won the bet. It took all of 40 minutes and when we tallyed up the money I beat him $305 to $200. He paid up and to this day I have that dollar framed and hanging in my office at home. I truly know I will never be as good as he was, but that win was as fun to me as winning thousands. Soon after it became increasingly harder for me to play in Vegas because of my association with him, so I stopped going for the sake of my team. We really don't speak that much anymore but nevertheless thats how I learned what I do. And thats my favorite gambling story.
  • Deviance said:

    Deviance thanks for the threads it has refreshed my memory. Also bojack1 thanks for the insite very helpful of you both. Sure wish I could find a game like that once in a while where I play.
  • cass said:
    I'm convinced learningtocount works for the casinos.

    I was thinking he might be a shill,ug!
  • Hey Bojack that was a pretty cool story. So are you saying you have primarily played blackjack for a living since 1996? If thats the case I'm curious how big does your bankroll have to be to quit your job and rely on playing blackjack to earn your living? Also what percentage of your game is stuff like the cut game and shuffletracking, as compared to just regular counting? Do you think someone could make a living playing blackjack with just counting? What exactly is an MIT checkout? Anybody else out there have answers to my questions please feel free to answer them. I really am very interested in what the experienced players have to say. By the way I've been practicing the cut game but seem to be a ways a way from getting it down yet.
  • One can make a living 'simply' counting cards, there is no doubt about it. Of course any little trick to get a nick % advantage over the house should be employed. I do feel strongly though that the majority of count systems out there are weaker than they need to be, dumbing themselves down to appeal to the masses who buy the books. You are only human, you can't be expected to keep a separate count for insurance, a separate side count of aces to adjust for betting and for playing, and then figure out the running count and adjust it for a betting count and a true count on how to play the hands...or can you? You'd be amazed what you can do if you get it out of your mind you can't do it...

    Stick
  • Well everyone me and the boys are heading down to A.C. for another trip this weekend. We're actually leaving tonight and coming back Sunday. I will post the results of our trip when we get back. We have really been putting a lot of practice time in and we all feel pretty confident that we might be able get some shuffletracking in this time along with the cut game and counting. If anyone is going to be down ther this weekend let me know and we can show you first hand how good this stuff is working out. Talk to ya later.
  • TCash, yes I've been playing blackjack for a living for the past ten years. As far as what size bankroll you need is totally dependant on the amount of advantage techniques you've mastered, and what type of lifestyle you had previously, and do you have to maintain that certain lifestyle, or can you alter it as you build up a larger bankroll. When I first started doing this fulltime, I was 29 with no real commitments, so there was no pressure of having to provide for anyone but myself. If you have a family and a mortgage and real responsibilities I suggest you don't try live on playing blackjack unless you are very skilled at advantage play, and have at least a six figure bankroll. And even then there are no guarantees. As far as percentage of counting to other techniques we use, thats difficult to say because we are always counting and most of the other methods work off of that. But roughly I'd say about 30% of the time we're working on some sort of shuffletrack or cut game. And yes I believe someone could make A living simply counting, but again they would need a sizeable bankroll, and would have to have outstanding counting abilities. As far as an MIT checkout, that is a test given that you must pass before you can play in a casino. It consisted of counting through 5 four deck shoes with lots of typical casino distractions, having to always know the proper running count, true count, changes to basic strategy based on the count, proper bet sizing, and making sure all payouts were correct. You are allowed 3 mistakes, but say you're running count was off by 2 that counts as 2 mistakes. So whatever the amount you were off would count as that many mistakes, it is quite difficult. So I think I covered all your questions , if not let me know. My advice to anyone wanting to make a living at this game, be sure you're real good, have a large bankroll, and don't burn your bridges at your old job, theres a good chance you'll be going back.
  • Just got back from A.C. yesterday. Let me tell youI'm seriously contemplating taking a leave of absence from my regular job. We got to A.C. on thursday night, it was kind of crowded so we really didn't play until 4 am Friday morning. We made $900 in 2 hours. Friday was mobbed so we barely played until late that night. The crowd was still heavy at night so we decide to take a chance and play the high rollers pit because there was no crowd in there and we could get our own table. So me and one of my partners took $5000 a piece and sat down in the high rollers pit and left our other partner with $2000 to be called in if we landed something to shuffletrack. In 1 hour we lost $2000 because our cut game didn't work out for us. We landed an ace both times perfectly, but it was matched with a 4 the first time, and a 5 the next, we lost both times. On top of that there was nothing really notable to track. And then it all changed. Over the next 5 hours we won back our $2000 that we lost plus another $4000. The only reason we quit was we were exausted. Saturday night all three of us sat in the high rollers pit. We stayed there for 7 hours and made another $4700, for atotal profit on the trip of $9600. Our bankroll is now over $20,000. At this point I believe with a little luck, and the playing methods we use we can beat the casinos on a fairly regular basis. My only question is, is $20,000 enough to play this game full time. I'm only 25 with no real responsibilities and so are my partners. I'm thinking we can do it. Any opinions, I'd like to hear them.
  • Booker glad to hear that you are kicking butt up to this point. While you are playing at a level far above my own my gut tells me $20000 is not enough cash for a 3 member team. Also sounds that you are betting far above Kelly so your ROR might be alittle high dont you think? Before you quit your job maybe you might wait until after you first bad losing session to see how you and your team handle things. Would try to add more outside cash to the BR whatever happens.Keep up the good work
  • nctom, Thanks for the input and the concern, I'll take any advice I can get. But as far as betting the Kelly criterion, basically broken down I thought it meant to for every percent of advantage you have bet that percentage of your bankroll. So even with a $10,000 bankroll if I'm landing an ace in my hand I have about a 51% advantage, which would mean a $5100 bet. Ive never bet that much ever but I have put up $1000 on it. So if anything I'm underbetting using Kelly. This way of playing is so different than just counting I think different betting rules apply. I'm still learning, but I must say so far I've never had that feeling of desparation even when I lose $2000 in 1 hour. Anymore info from anyone is appreciated. Thanks
  • Booker said:
    nctom, Thanks for the input and the concern, I'll take any advice I can get. But as far as betting the Kelly criterion, basically broken down I thought it meant to for every percent of advantage you have bet that percentage of your bankroll. So even with a $10,000 bankroll if I'm landing an ace in my hand I have about a 51% advantage, which would mean a $5100 bet. Ive never bet that much ever but I have put up $1000 on it. So if anything I'm underbetting using Kelly. This way of playing is so different than just counting I think different betting rules apply. I'm still learning, but I must say so far I've never had that feeling of desparation even when I lose $2000 in 1 hour. Anymore info from anyone is appreciated. Thanks


    I dont think that is correct about the kelly thing. Wouldnt it be a 50% advantage if you knew you were getting a BJ? 3:2? Also you seem to know when you are getting a ACE which is great, but you arent certain that you will have a ten to match. Wait til you lose 2000 in a hour and then another 2000 in the next hour and you dont make it back up. It will happen. When you are winning and winnig you feel on top of the world. Thinking about quiting your day job... whatever been there. When i first started counting i won my first 9 sessions in a row. Then i lost all the money over the next few sessions due to overbetting. The most recommended to bet is usually 1% of your total BR top bet. I would say even with your cut game you are playing. Maybe 2% with that im not sure. So with your br for your team you could each have a top bet of $200 just regular counting. You should have pretty solid profits. That would be my advice. Btw- a few weeks ago i was playing and i was up a few thousand. Starting betting 500x2 in a astronimicaly high count. All i got was 10/4's 10/5's 10'6's. Dealer had twenty alomst everytime. In about a third of a shoe i dropped $4000! It can and does happen. Now i've been grinding it out over the last couple weeks trying to win my money back. I need to take my own advice!! You will win more in the long run no overbetting your BR!
  • I just realized if you know you are dealt a BJ it would be a 150% advantage. 51% must be if you know you are giong to have a ACE in your hand everytime! Got it, nevermind.
  • Booker said:
    Just got back from A.C. yesterday. Let me tell youI'm seriously contemplating taking a leave of absence from my regular job. We got to A.C. on thursday night, it was kind of crowded so we really didn't play until 4 am Friday morning. We made $900 in 2 hours. Friday was mobbed so we barely played until late that night. The crowd was still heavy at night so we decide to take a chance and play the high rollers pit because there was no crowd in there and we could get our own table. So me and one of my partners took $5000 a piece and sat down in the high rollers pit and left our other partner with $2000 to be called in if we landed something to shuffletrack. In 1 hour we lost $2000 because our cut game didn't work out for us. We landed an ace both times perfectly, but it was matched with a 4 the first time, and a 5 the next, we lost both times. On top of that there was nothing really notable to track. And then it all changed. Over the next 5 hours we won back our $2000 that we lost plus another $4000. The only reason we quit was we were exausted. Saturday night all three of us sat in the high rollers pit. We stayed there for 7 hours and made another $4700, for atotal profit on the trip of $9600. Our bankroll is now over $20,000. At this point I believe with a little luck, and the playing methods we use we can beat the casinos on a fairly regular basis. My only question is, is $20,000 enough to play this game full time. I'm only 25 with no real responsibilities and so are my partners. I'm thinking we can do it. Any opinions, I'd like to hear them.



    You should let me know when you are counting what games you are playing and what your bet spread is like. I will tell you your ROR and avg profit per hour if you care. (BJRM 02)
  • Hello Cass, You see the thing is I don't feel I'm overbetting my bankroll. I think the problem is experienced players who count can't understand the cut game's advantages when played correctly. Just recently we played $100 dollar minumum tables because we had to, to get anywhere between a 13% and 100% advantage. Usually we only bet $25 minimums. But because we could'nt get our own table we took a chance and it worked out for us. Now with the the bankroll we have I believe we can seriously bet $100 minimums. I really need Bojack to step up and explain what is going on here. He walked me through every step of the way on this. He can explain why we can bet and win more than just an average counter. Cass you realized it yourself, when I know I'm getting an ace its a 51% advantage. When as a counter do you have that.... NEVER! This system, along with counting is as close to unbeatable as you can get. I know I can still lose, but I also know I will win more than I will lose because the math says so. And thats what all counters should understand. The house has the advantage because they go last, and even if they bust but you busted first they win. You change it all when you know what you're getting in your hand before you bet, or even better if you know what the dealer holds in his hand. This is a powerful way to play. Please talk to Bojack about it . Practice it. Its not like anything you'll ever experience as a counter. I'm beginning to see how the MIT students usually always won, and just plain counters struggle just to see a small advantage. Please believe me you need more.
  • Booker said:
    Hello Cass, You see the thing is I don't feel I'm overbetting my bankroll. I think the problem is experienced players who count can't understand the cut game's advantages when played correctly. Just recently we played $100 dollar minumum tables because we had to, to get anywhere between a 13% and 100% advantage. Usually we only bet $25 minimums. But because we could'nt get our own table we took a chance and it worked out for us. Now with the the bankroll we have I believe we can seriously bet $100 minimums. I really need Bojack to step up and explain what is going on here. He walked me through every step of the way on this. He can explain why we can bet and win more than just an average counter. Cass you realized it yourself, when I know I'm getting an ace its a 51% advantage. When as a counter do you have that.... NEVER! This system, along with counting is as close to unbeatable as you can get. I know I can still lose, but I also know I will win more than I will lose because the math says so. And thats what all counters should understand. The house has the advantage because they go last, and even if they bust but you busted first they win. You change it all when you know what you're getting in your hand before you bet, or even better if you know what the dealer holds in his hand. This is a powerful way to play. Please talk to Bojack about it . Practice it. Its not like anything you'll ever experience as a counter. I'm beginning to see how the MIT students usually always won, and just plain counters struggle just to see a small advantage. Please believe me you need more.



    I understand how it works. I actually know of some games I coudl use this. Including a DD game. However i dont have a team that we could all get on the table together. So it would be almost impossible to steer the card to my advantage. I dont know what the answer is for the top bet in the cut card game. $100 minimums? You shouldnt be betting that big with your br unless you have the advantage. When you say $100 min. bet, to me that means you bet $100 flat bet until you have a positive expectation and then you increase from there. Sounds pretty risky.
  • Booker my friend you've got to slow down. Yes I understand the high percentages the cut game gives you, but you've been damn lucky too. And thats great as long as you realize that. Forget about quitting your job right now. $20,000 is not enough for a 3 person team to play and live on. Remember you haven't had to live on your blackjack winnings yet. Eventhough you don't think you have any responsibilities, just the basic expenses of everyday life like an apartment, a car, car insurance, that really expensive stuff you put in the car to make it go - gas, and food, eat up alot of money. Also realize these expenses are for 3 people not just you. And looking at the blackjack standpoint, if you plan on playing high stakes tables, if you're winning on a regular basis you're going to be watched very closely. I think its great you learned the cut game so well, but if you're just a one trick pony they're going to catch on and then it will be all over. My advice to you is go back to the $25 tables for now and really learn how to play all the advantages. Make sure your counting is right on, perfect shuffletracking, and still keep up with the cut game when possible. The whole trick to doing this full time is being a well rounded player, and the same goes for the whole team. So take advantage of your good fortune and try to build on it. If you can triple the bankroll you have now with other methods than just the cut game, you might be able to consider playing full time. For now, stay smart, stay grounded, and stay at your job.
  • Bojack I must say I'm disapointed with your reaction to my success. Of all people I thought you would understand how it is. Are you that pompous to think you're the only one that can do this for a living? I can't believe you don't have faith in your own system of playing. The same one you taught me, and now I'm winning tremendously and all of a sudden I'm just lucky? Maybe there's some luck involved, but I'm also pretty darn good at it. Well its too bad I don't have your support, but honestly I don't need it. I play the tables, you don't play them for me. In 2 weeks my team and I go full time. Then you'll see whats what. I'll post my trips good or bad. All I can say to the doubters prepare to eat your words.
  • Booker said:
    Bojack I must say I'm disapointed with your reaction to my success. Of all people I thought you would understand how it is. Are you that pompous to think you're the only one that can do this for a living? I can't believe you don't have faith in your own system of playing. The same one you taught me, and now I'm winning tremendously and all of a sudden I'm just lucky? Maybe there's some luck involved, but I'm also pretty darn good at it. Well its too bad I don't have your support, but honestly I don't need it. I play the tables, you don't play them for me. In 2 weeks my team and I go full time. Then you'll see whats what. I'll post my trips good or bad. All I can say to the doubters prepare to eat your words.



    WOW! the famous last words of a newbie! pompous? Ouch! Sounds like the student is going to challenge the master. Bojack understands SD and EV. Apparently you have no clue at all. Good luck! If it was possible, I would be willing to bet$1,000 you dont make it a month before your BR seriously tanks and you go crying home. All you have gotten is good advice, adn you have choosen to ignore it. I guess you will need to experience it for yourself before you take any advice. wait until your first big loss. you thinkyou cant lose but that is not the way this game works. Okay im done wasting time on this topic.
  • Hey Booker what the hell happened to you? You went from being a newbie who wanted to learn something, to a know it all jerk. How did you become such an expert in just a couple of months. You asked for advice and everybody said the same thing, congratulations, but don't quit your job. Learn some more, see how the team handles losses, get a larger bankroll, bet smaller, all these things were told to you but you refuse to listen. I think the money got to your head, and if winning a few thousand screws you up, I can only imagine what losing a few might do to you. I agree with Cass, I bet you'll be broke a month after you try to play full time. I just hope your honest when it all comes crashing down so all those who tried to help you can say I told you so.
  • When you raise the size of the mean bet of a distribution, the size of the standard deviation increases as well. In blackjack, the SD can be many times that of the mean bet. Even with a 51% edge, expect to fall on the negative side of the distribution at least some of the time. For example. in a distribution that is 'normal' (symmetrical, infinite at both tails), 68.3% of the time you will fall anywhere between +1 SD and -1 SD.

    No one is doubting your ability. The main concern being expressed here by Bojack and other members is whether your bankroll can handle several sessions on the negative end which are almost statistically inevitable.
  • Booker said:
    Bojack I must say I'm disapointed with your reaction to my success. Of all people I thought you would understand how it is. Are you that pompous to think you're the only one that can do this for a living? I can't believe you don't have faith in your own system of playing. The same one you taught me, and now I'm winning tremendously and all of a sudden I'm just lucky? Maybe there's some luck involved, but I'm also pretty darn good at it. Well its too bad I don't have your support, but honestly I don't need it. I play the tables, you don't play them for me. In 2 weeks my team and I go full time. Then you'll see whats what. I'll post my trips good or bad. All I can say to the doubters prepare to eat your words.

    Booker most everyone who has weighed in on this thread wishes you well but do not let you ego get in the way of your common sense.20 grand is not that much money.tread lightly,I,ll be happy to eat my words if you kick butt. BUT if not I would expect you to fess up.
  • To all the doubters and non believers out there I just wanted to let you all know I don't hold it against you. I understand your skepticism but again, what we play, and how we play can't be judged on the same level as just regular counting. Me and my team are very seriuos about what we're doing. What started as a cool experiment has turned into a very great chance for a few young guys to make some money before life gets to serious and won't allow us to take these kind of risks. But we are very committed to making this work. I spent all day yesterday scouting out a casino in CT to make sure we could play it properly. It turns out it should be good, and we'll be there next weekend for our first trip as full time players. And believe me if we take a beating I will be honest about it and post the results. Also believe this, if we win I'll be posting my I told you so results. And Bojack sorry about the rude comments, I owe you for all you taught me, all I"m saying is trust me. You know first hand how good this stuff works for you, so now its working for us too.
  • Booker don't worry about the comments. But I do have some advice I wish you would listen to. If the casino you are going to this weekend in CT is Mohegan Sun, DO NOT play the cut game in the high rollers pit. They are aware of this type of play there and they can figure it out quickly if you don't have expert cover play. Even then if you beat them a few times big they will no longer allow you to cut the deck where you want, and if you do get caught they are very aggressive about backing you off. If you must play the cut game back it down to the $25 tables. If you scouted it out you must've seen they do have alot of sloppy dealers, and if played at the right tables the cut game will work nicely. Just don't do it on the black tables, even if the dealers are a bit sloppy, the pit bosses can see an obvious cut game very easily. I suggest if you want to play the black tables than just count, or even better shuffletrack if your team is proficient at it. The weekends there are very busy so the cut game might be hard to do at the green tables, but I'm sure you can find something on the graveyard shift. Anyway thats my advice, take it or leave it, I just thought you should know.
  • Bojack 1- are you Semyon Dukach using an assumed name? Seriously.
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  • Progressionist, I don't know what Semyon Dukach looks like, but I met Bojack today at Mohegan Sun, so tell me what this guy Semyon looks like and I'll tell you if its him. What a blast hanging with this guy. I feel very humbled and stupid now that I saw some real advantage play. Him and one of his teamates were kind enough to actually show up just for the day to help me get my head on straight. I watched, and played when told to, as these guys emptied 3 dealers trays of blacks and pinks, all in just 5 hours! I don't know what the final take for the day was, but I know I got only a small percentage of what they got, and I got just over $3000. The amazing thing was never did it seem even with these big winnings that the dealer or the pit was suspicious. I've got to be honest I could'nt even tell you how they were doing it, sometimes it seemed it had nothing to do with the count. I mean they say its done with shuffletracking, but I still could'nt follow it. I'm still going foward with my plan to play full time but I will do it more conservatively than originally planned. I apologize for losing my head, and a million thanks to Bojack and his friend for a great lesson. What an experience!
  • Hey Booker I was kind of curiuos how did you get Bojack to meet you at a casino and give you a private lesson. After all you were kind of a jackass after he and others tried to give you advice. Anyway I could use some tutoring too, so Bojack how about getting you and your boys to meet me at a casino and show me how this stuff you're always talking about works. After all seeing is believing.
  • Why on earth would you discuss this on a public forum?

    Do you want to burn your own bridge?

    Why not just give us and the casino the date, time and pit# so we can all enjoy!
  • Andee its no big deal, if you're going to be taking a trip to a casino let me know privately which one. There is a small chance if I'm in the area or my team is playing there I'll run into you. I offer advice only. I don't teach private lessons, but I will try to demonstrate first hand my favorite methods of advantage play. Please take note, not every trip is a winner, so some times even perfect play loses. But when done right winning is a very distinct possibility. In the future I would appreciate any one I help out or end up running into in a casino be a little more discreet. I'm not one to be too paranoid by heat, but by the same token a little discretion can't hurt. By the way Booker its black and purple chips, there's no such thing as pink chips at that casino. I hope you were paying a little more attention to the cards than you were the chips.
  • Here I was trying to calculate how many $2.50 chips(pink in AC) you'd need to pocket $3,000.!!!!!!
  • Well we did it again. Our first trip as full timers netted us $2400. I know its not a killing, but its a win. We toned it down a little and played a $25 - $200 spread. Except with the cut game where we did a $50-$500 spread. Nothing real exciting happened, just good consistent playing. Still can't land the shuffletrack like Bojack, but we'll keep trying because seeing that work first hand has got me really motivated to get it down, it's a pretty powerful thing to play. Its just hard to master. We also stayed away from the high rollers pit like we were advised and we got absolutely no heat. So with the $3000 I got with Bojack and the $2400 from this past weekend thats another $5400. Half is going to the bankroll the other half in our pockets. Thats how we're going to try to work it for now. Next trip is thursday for 2 days. Our goal is to get our bankroll up to $50,000 then hit Vegas. I'll keep posting the results as we go.
  • Booker said:
    Well we did it again. Our first trip as full timers netted us $2400. I know its not a killing, but its a win. We toned it down a little and played a $25 - $200 spread. Except with the cut game where we did a $50-$500 spread. Nothing real exciting happened, just good consistent playing. Still can't land the shuffletrack like Bojack, but we'll keep trying because seeing that work first hand has got me really motivated to get it down, it's a pretty powerful thing to play. Its just hard to master. We also stayed away from the high rollers pit like we were advised and we got absolutely no heat. So with the $3000 I got with Bojack and the $2400 from this past weekend thats another $5400. Half is going to the bankroll the other half in our pockets. Thats how we're going to try to work it for now. Next trip is thursday for 2 days. Our goal is to get our bankroll up to $50,000 then hit Vegas. I'll keep posting the results as we go.


    Excellent! Good luck!
  • We are firing on all cylinders now. We just got back from our last trip, and on the advice from Bojack we started logging our play. First off let me say we made $5800. We also for the first time were able to play big player team action, due to the fact we're all counting pretty well now. We made $2900 on call in play. I played the big player and got called in 11 times in 14 hours. We made $4100 on the cut game, winning 11 of 17 of the steered card hands, 4 with blackjack. We lost $1200 trying to shuffletrack. Even though we did land a couple of tracks, we messed up a few too many, still making our efforts in this area of play a loser. But I really feel we are becoming a complete and well rounded team. I realize we have been lucky up to this point, but I also believe our 20 hours of practice a week helps us capitalize on that luck. Our next trip is tuesday for 3 days. Any questions or comments, I'd like to hear them.

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