New Betting System
  • Anyone ever heard of this? This is quite interesting! What do you think?

    The 1-3-2-6 betting system:

    The name of this structure says it all. It is based on the premise that you can win four times in a row. Your initial bet is 1 unit, the second 3 units, the third 2 units and the fourth 6 units.

    Let's assume that each unit is $10 and the odds are 1:1 - even money. The first bet is $10. When winning, $10 is added to the $20 on the table making the second bet $30. When winning again on the second bet, there would be $60 on the table. Of this you take down $40 and the third bet is now $20. If the third bet wins, you will have $40 on the table to which you add $20 making a total of $60 for the fourth bet. If the fourth bet wins, there would be a total of $120, of which $100 is net profit. Now all the bet with the profit is taken down and you start the system all over again at $10. If you lose the first bet, your loss is $10.

    The second level loss is $20. At the third level, a loss will give you a net profit of $20. At the fourth level, a loss leaves you breaking even. Each time you lose, you start all over again at $10. The magnetism of this system is that you risk $20 at a chance of making $100 net profit. This means you can lose 5 times, and with 1 win get your money back. Isn't this great?
  • Where did you find this? It sounds interesting, I'd like to read more.

    ed
  • Put a search out. It does sound good though, doesn't it?
  • Bug, it’s nice to take a progression like this 1-3-2-6 that you’ve mentioned and look at the wonderful things that happen when you win 4 hands in a row. But to really evaluate it, you’ve got to look at all the possibilities. Here’s a brief little exercise that I invite you to try. I think you’ll find it most enlightening.

    On a spreadsheet, list all 16 win/lose possibilities for 4 hands. Start out with W,W,W,W, then list the 4 possible 1-loss outcomes, then the 6 possible 2-loss outcomes, then the 4 possible 3-loss outcomes, and finally, L,L,L,L.

    For each individual hand, determine how much would be won or lost based on your progression (using $10 as your unit). Then total up how much you’ve gained or lost at the end of each 4-hand sequence.

    As a check on your accuracy, total up all 16 of the 4-hand totals. If you get don’t get zero, go back and re-check each individual amount.

    Now do exactly the same thing for flat betting $10 per hand.

    I’d be interested in what conclusions you draw – keeping in mind that each of the 16 outcomes is equally likely to occur. I look forward to your response.
  • Here’s a brief little exercise that I invite you to try.


    Umm... I just presented it, you can try all that yourself, thanks. :roll: :roll:
  • "As a check on your accuracy, total up all 16 of the 4-hand totals. If you get don’t get zero, go back and re-check each individual amount.
    Now do exactly the same thing for flat betting $10 per hand.
    I’d be interested in what conclusions you draw – keeping in mind that each of the 16 outcomes is equally likely to occur. I look forward to your response. "(from Phil in Texas)

    Phil, tho I did not go thru your "exercise", think the point you are making is that if you follow any progression (neg or pos) that you will, over TIME, end up with a big fat goose egg/ zap/"o"; right? And, the same thing happens if you flat bet, which is also a two-way street to "o". Thus, the only way you may "pull ahead" in the game of BJ is to be an excellent counter even in the face of a CSM, right? :lol:
  • I would agree.
  • Crackers, obviously you didn't check out WT's progression test that he conducted online? If you didn't, you need to so you can see how much better his progression betting is than flat betting or even card counting. Same thing goes for you, phil
  • But, Mr. Bug, I thought we were talking about your 1326 scheme? Who said anything about Walter Thompson? I have tried, however, many different "progressions" and find that in the FINAL analysis, over TIME, I am going to end up in a 50/50 situation with the dealer which means I end up "even", IF I AM LUCKY! I am only going on my own experience, however, and what I have found over about 5 years of play which is most probably not a good sample of what may be accomplished in the game.
    Plus, I do not play "dealt by the dealer" BJ; but only Digital. So, perhaps my logic about the game & my experience with it does not count.
  • What's the difference between REGULAR and "digital" blackjack? Furthermore where can I play that ? I have never heard of that.

    BTW, it's Walter THOMASON not Thompson. I think he'd appreciate his name getting spelled correct :)
  • Sorry I spelled Mr. Thomason's last name incorrectly.

    What is digital? No real cards are used. A "live" dealer "deals" the cards by pushing a button. 6 Deck shoe; 3 Decks played then all 6 are shuffled again. No double after split. No Surrender. Aces can be split only once. Dealer hits on soft 17. Player DBLS on 10 & 11 ONLY. Each player has an individual screen where his cards appear. Standard BJ table is used. Dealer hits a button if you want a hit.
  • Okay, and where is this available (eventhough I would never play it based on those terrible rules)?

    Based on what you said about the digital rules, they are not at all favorable for the player. House has probably built in 3% with the flawless BS player with that mess.
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    If you lose the first bet, your loss is $10.

    The second level loss is $20. At the third level, a loss will give you a net profit of $20.


    Maybe it's a little too much of the single-malt holiday cheer :lol: , but I'm not following this, Bug.

    I get the first loss, but wouldn't the second loss be total of 3 units plus 1 unit? And how would the third loss still leave a net profit?

    This sounds interesting, and I want to try it.

    Bear with me, 'cause it's probably something obvious I'm missing here.
  • That is what I copy/pasted directly from the source.

    It also makes total sense because after winning the first 2, 4x is on profited. When the 3rd hand is played at 2x unit, if you lose, YOU STILL HAVE 2x profit from the first 2 won hands.

    Try reading it again when you are not HIGH and it will make total sense.
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    That is what I copy/pasted directly from the source.

    It also makes total sense because after winning the first 2, 4x is on profited.

    Try reading it again when you are not HIGH and it will make total sense.


    Actually, not high at all. But what I was curious was if TWO or more hands are lost right off the bat. The third (in a row) loss would be a minus 30, no?

    Perhaps I should have been clearer.
  • No Sir... losing 2 in a row from the get-go would only mean a loss of 1x because when you win your first you actually have 2x and when you lose the 3rd @ 3x that would mean a net loss of only 1x (3x - 2x) so it's actually pretty cool!
  • I had a negative experience before with 1-3-2-6 a few months back after reading about it on some online bj magazine. I didn't care much for it as my single wins were higher than my 2-win streaks during a few sessions when I was using it, and it wiped out my bankroll faster than any other progression I have employed.

    IMHO, the NY phone# progression is a great way to start off any session becuz you make a small profit on any streak, even single wins (WL = win 1 unit compared to Dahl's WL = break even or to 1-3-2-6 WL = -2 units)

    However, I only use it to start off my session or when I am down a little for that little push to get ahead while surviving those choppy streaks. But once I am ahead, I switch over to Dahl's to capitalize on the bigger push provided by 4+ streaks or recently to Walter's (which I have been experimenting with lately for an even bigger push but still no luck yet on the 5th level) :roll: Maybe its time to revisit card-counting but the skimpy outfit & the boob jobs on them cocktail gals sure ain't helping much :shock: :shock: :shock:
  • After doing a search, as Bug did, on the 1-3-2-6 system, one of the websites that showed up in the search had some interesting things to say about this system.

    The website was www.3738.nzspace.com/1326.htm

    After analyzing the system, here were some of their comments:

    "Don't let online casino pimps con you into thinking this is a winning system."

    "This is a favorite of anyone trying to entice you to play online casinos to earn them commissions from your losses."

    "Basically - it wins- it loses- the casino gets all your money in the end."

    "Conclusion -- a system requiring the usual element of LUCK"


    Of course the great thing about this forum is that everyone is free draw their own conclusions.
  • just tried it...i didn't even win 4 times in a row...and i lost a hundred (computer game don't werry)bucks playing $5 a hand! Another thing to practice this would be to use a computer gambling program, just for fun to see how the strategy works
  • OK i have a suggestion, what about splits, and Dbling down? my suggestion is if you are going to play 1326 then DONT it's an easy weay to lose track of where u are in the game.
  • You guys have any ohter strategies?
  • Certifiably Insane said:
    Another thing to practice this would be to use a computer gambling program, just for fun to see how the strategy works


    What "computer gambling program" do you recommend?
  • Ummmmm I like 1,2,3,3 then repeat.

    WLWL=-1
    LWLW=+1
    WWLL=-3
    LLWW=+3
    LWWL=+1
    WLLW=-1
    WWWL=+3
    LLLW=-3
    WWLW=+3
    LLWL=-3
    WLWW=+5
    LWLL=-5
    LWWW=+7
    WLLL=-7
    WWWW=+9
    LLLL=-9


    N&B
  • I'm one for trying various betting proggesions in fun mode on line to see if anything pans out, Has any one tryed The Best Basic System for Craps, Baccarat, Roulette and BlackJack
    http://www.letstalkwinning.com/bestbasic.htm
    or the Winning Parlays for Craps,Baccarat and Roulette and BlackJack
    http://www.letstalkwinning.com/parlays.htm ?
    are they any good? I'm a sucker for buying systems and ebooks ect over the net, I've bought tons of systems over the years

    Cheers :lol:

    Colin
  • A progression that I have had success using in the past is Oscar`s Grind. The scary thing about it is that you dont regress to your minimum bet after a loss which could lead to larger, faster losses. However, you can recover your losses quicker by using this method if the cards fall right, like in any progression or counting method. Of course after you get ahead by one unit in a series , you then start a new series of bets from your minimum bet.

    Dylanfreak

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