Late Surrender?
  • can anyone tell me if there are any casinos on the las vegas strip or downtown that offer late surrender as well as the other decent player friendly rules? thanks,
    Prog
  • Bellagio and Mandalay Bay did last year.
  • Prog -- Last time I was there, you could surrender at Mandalay Bay, Monte Carlo, Aladdin, Bellagio, MGM, Paris, Bally's, Treasure Island, Mirage and Caesar's at the least.
  • Renzey said:
    Prog -- Last time I was there, you could surrender at Mandalay Bay, Monte Carlo, Aladdin, Bellagio, MGM, Paris, Bally's, Treasure Island, Mirage and Caesar's at the least.


    Good list: Add Hilton (close to strip), Tropicana, Luxor, NYNY, and Wynn to your list. Mostly only on 6 deck shoes.

    ihate17
  • Thank You All!
  • As of June 1st, 2006,
    ALL of these Vegas Casinos Offered Late Surrender (LS) & Double After Split (DAS)...

    Aladdin
    Bally's
    Bellagio
    Big Horn
    Caeser's
    Cannery
    Golden Nugget
    Hard Rock
    Hilton
    Hooter's
    Luxor
    Mandalay Bay
    MGM Grand
    Mirage
    Monte Carlo
    New Frontier
    New York
    Palms
    Paris
    Rampart
    Red Rock
    Texas Station
    Treasure Island
    Tropicana
    Tuscany
    Venetian
    Wynn's
  • As of June 1st, 2006,
    ALL of these Vegas Casinos Offered Stand on Soft 17 (S17),
    Late Surrender (LS) & Double After Split (DAS)...

    Alladin
    Bellagio
    Caeser's Palace
    Hilton
    Luxor
    Mandalay Bay
    MGM Grand
    Mirage
    Monte Carlo
    New York
    Palms
    Paris
    Red Rock
    Treasure Island
    Venetian
    Wynn

    Great Chart : http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/vegas.html
  • Surfteq said:
    As of June 1st, 2006,
    ALL of these Vegas Casinos Offered Stand on Soft 17 (S17),
    Late Surrender (LS) & Double After Split (DAS)...

    Alladin
    Bellagio
    Caeser's Palace
    Hilton
    Luxor
    Mandalay Bay
    MGM Grand
    Mirage
    Monte Carlo
    New York
    Palms
    Paris
    Red Rock
    Treasure Island
    Venetian
    Wynn

    Great Chart : http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/vegas.html


    Some of these are only on high limit games and some games are not listed by the wizard. For instance on all $25 tables at the Trop, the dealer stays on soft 17. Also TI, Paris, Palms, New York, and Luxor and perhaps one or two of the others listed are $100 games. The wizards list is the best free list out there but it is not completely accurate.

    ihate17
  • For me,
    Late Surrender (LS) is the first & most important Player Option I look for,
    then Double After Split (DAS)...

    Fred Renzey states that,
    "Most poor players think the surrender option is a sucker play,
    but good players understand that it can be used to their advantage...
    if you never, ever play anything but surrender,
    you can bet 20% bigger on the same total bankroll"(Blackjack Bluebook II,
    2004 Edition, pages 26 & 165, see the Surrender Chart on page 208 also).

    Don Schlesinger states that,
    "in blackjack circles, surrender represents" the "Holy Grail",
    because "surrender has the highly desirable quality of increasing gain
    while simultaneously decreasing risk"(Blackjack Attack, 2005 Edition, page 198).

    If you HIT Hard 15, you will BUST = LOSE 54% of the Time.
    If you HIT Hard 16, you will BUST = LOSE 62% of the Time.
    If you SURRENDER, you will LOSE only 50% of the Time.
  • A quick reminder that Surrender is availible upon the FIRST TWO cards in the hand, and NOT availible upon 3+ cards.

    3-Cards 15 and 16 are big losers against 10-value, but one CAN NOT surrender them. (ALL are -50% or worse)
  • Thanks For The Stats!!!
  • Thank You Both For The Great Chart!
    Prog
  • When late surrender is played perfectly. A really good rule is early surrender. Many players play surrender really wrong. If it replaces rules like no soft doubling or double on 10 or 11 only it hurts the players. The irony on doubling on 10 or 11 only is it doesn't allow the players to make as many doubleing mistakes I have seen people double on 7 and hard 12!
  • Need help in understanding The wizard chart of the BJ games:

    http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/vegas.html (also listed in above post)


    Bellagio 6D, S17, DAS Y, Late Sur Y, RSA Y, House edge 0.26%
    But:
    Mandalay Bay 6D, S17, DAS Y, Late Sur N, RSA N, House Edge 0.19%
    Mirage is same at .19%
    How can the House Edge go down when Late Sur & RSA are not offered?
  • I believe you are reading the chart incorrectly. The 0.19% house edge is for the double deck games. For six decks, both Mandalay Bay and Mirage carry a house edge of 0.26%.
  • You are correct, earlier I downloaded the site to Excel stored it. However I seem to have a slightly table that what is now on the site.
    Thanks for the comment

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