House edge for flat betting
  • Could anyone here tell me what percentage the house advantage would be in casinos that only allow flat betting (i.e. $5 min/$5 max bet)?

    I've checked out a couple online calculators (wizard of odds and others), but I haven't seen flat betting even listed. I'm thinking it's gotta be huge.
  • House Advantage calculations assume flat betting.
  • Tommy- House advantage is detremined by things like, number of decks used and house rules. It would be very small, compared to the other games.
  • hahah what kind of bunk ass casino would offer $5 min $5 MAX?!?!?!?!? hahhahahaa. that would be so gay. :roll: :roll: :roll:
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    hahah what kind of bunk ass casino would offer $5 min $5 MAX?!?!?!?!? hahhahahaa. that would be so gay. :roll: :roll: :roll:


    Some places only offer limited stakes gaming. It's not the casino's choice to offer stakes like that, it's the law.
  • Like where, Casinos Are Us, Inc?
  • I may be wrong, but I think those conditions prevail in Eagle Pass. I also heard they charge an "ante fee" for each BJ hand, similar to poker.
  • Like where, Casinos Are Us, Inc?
  • Tommy - Mr. Ed and Midnite are correct, and most blackjack books have tables to calculate the house edge based on rules and number of decks. In Fred Renzey's "Blackjack Bluebook II" they are on page 82.

    If you need the edge for a specific game, send me a PM......Grifter
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    Like where, Casinos Are Us, Inc?


    Colorado, for example, only has limited stakes gambling. If a casino wants to operate in this state, those are the rules. Nobody's making them build big casinos in the mountains here.
  • Mr. Ed - Thanks for clearing that up... I was under the assumption that by imposing flat wagering, a casino is putting itself at a huge advantage over players. Come to think of it, I've actually read it in a few blackjack books (I'll have to go dig up the quotes).
  • Buffarino said:
    [quote=BuGhOu§eMASTER]Like where, Casinos Are Us, Inc?


    Colorado, for example, only has limited stakes gambling. If a casino wants to operate in this state, those are the rules. Nobody's making them build big casinos in the mountains here.[/quote]

    Sucks to be you!
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    [quote=Buffarino][quote=BuGhOu§eMASTER]Like where, Casinos Are Us, Inc?


    Colorado, for example, only has limited stakes gambling. If a casino wants to operate in this state, those are the rules. Nobody's making them build big casinos in the mountains here.[/quote]

    Sucks to be you![/quote]

    Why is that? I get to live in Denver, and can visit the local limited stakes casinos if I like, or hop a jet to Vegas if I want to play higher stakes. At least I'm not living in Houston.
  • You obviously didn't understand my point. Yes, YOU LIVE in CO, therefore are limited to the casinos there which are all limited betting, according to you. In order for you to play "normally" and have the freedom to bet from a RANGE, you must inconvenience yourself and take a plane all the way to LV just to do so!!

    And? Yeah I live in Houston? You got beef with the 4th most populated city in the nation now? \/\/haT'§ uP?
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    You obviously didn't understand my point. Yes, YOU LIVE in CO, therefore are limited to the casinos there which are all limited betting, according to you. In order for you to play "normally" and have the freedom to bet from a RANGE, you must inconvenience yourself and take a plane all the way to LV just to do so!!

    And? Yeah I live in Houston? You got beef with the 4th most populated city in the nation now? \/\/haT'§ uP?


    Well, in order for you to play 'normally', you have to drive a couple of hours to Louisiana, so how is that so different from my situation? I get out to LV every so often and if the bug hits when I'm stuck here, I head up the hills and play some $5 BJ. No big deal.

    I lived in Texas for 5 years. You can keep it. Especially Houston.
  • It is different because you have to travel MUCH FURTHER than a couple of hours from your home city of Denver, CO in order to enjoy a better game than same MIN/MAX boring betting. Boy would I hate that.

    And that is obviously A MUCH BIGGER inconvenience than my meager 1.75 hr. drive since you would only be going there if you're on vacation or have much time off from whatever you do, wouldn't you agree?
  • You're making it out to be a much bigger deal than it really is, Bug. It's still fun to get out to the casino once in a while, but the experience is very different from LV, that's for sure.
  • So the nearest casino with different min/max bets IS LV?
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    So the nearest casino with different min/max bets IS LV?
    Phoenix, and Midnite's places in Kansas, are both a shorter trip from Denver than Vegas is, and the table limits are wide open here. But if you have to travel by plane anyway, Buffarino's better choice is Vegas.
  • Desert Dog said:
    [quote=BuGhOu§eMASTER]So the nearest casino with different min/max bets IS LV?
    Phoenix, and Midnite's places in Kansas, are both a shorter trip from Denver than Vegas is, and the table limits are wide open here. But if you have to travel by plane anyway, Buffarino's better choice is Vegas.[/quote]

    Correct. As I said, Bug's making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is. I just went up to Blackhawk Saturday night and had a good time. I guess I don't need the ability to bet several hundred $ per hand to have a good time.
  • Tommy, If your talking about the DENVER area the house advantage
    is .43. Six decks, DOA,DAS,RESPLIT,S17, no surrender. (BLACKHAWK)

    That's not a bad game if you take some of Renzey's suggestions.
    You can get it down to an even game for a basic strategy player...
  • Buffarino said:
    [quote=Desert Dog][quote=BuGhOu§eMASTER]So the nearest casino with different min/max bets IS LV?
    Phoenix, and Midnite's places in Kansas, are both a shorter trip from Denver than Vegas is, and the table limits are wide open here. But if you have to travel by plane anyway, Buffarino's better choice is Vegas.[/quote]

    Correct. As I said, Bug's making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is. I just went up to Blackhawk Saturday night and had a good time. I guess I don't need the ability to bet several hundred $ per hand to have a good time.[/quote]

    Me neither. My betting falls in a narrow range too. But there's great entertainment value watching another player play the table maximum bet and then face a split/double situation.
  • Been there/Done that, only just last weekend at Fitzgeralds, in LV. Hard to believe even after I witnessed it, I sat at a 500.00 limit table and watched a guy empty the chip tray, the dealer having to pay off his last win with red chips. The boss had to get an emergency fill, of black chips to get the tray filled up again, total 5400.00
  • Ray,

    Are you sure that Blackhawk casinos are 6 decks? Last time I was up there I could've sworn most tables were dealing 8. Maybe I'm seeing things. Is that just common knowledge or did you ask the dealers?

    Last time I was at Blackhawk I spent the day backcounting and ended up not playing a single hand. I bounced around to about five different casinos and backcounted, maybe, a dozen different tables. Out of all of them, only one table started looking good, but just as I was reaching for my wallet a guy drew four aces! It didn't look so good to me after that...

    I noticed some single-deck, flat wager tables that looked kind of interesting, though. Now I guess I need to learn about this thing they call "depth charging"...
  • Tommy, It's possible that some of the Blackhawk Casinos do play
    8 decks. I visit my daughter there and we always go to "Isle of Capri"
    because of the good food. Unless something has changed from this past
    summer, they have the game I described. Buffarino, may know better
    than I.

    Ray

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