learningtocount said:You don't start to get heat put on too you until you are winning no matter how much you are betting. One simple solution is too pocket some of your winnings so the house does not think that you are winning as much as you are. If you have a lot of chips you can also cash in the checks at the casino next store because a lot of casinos will take foreign checks from nearby casinos!!! In addition to not getting heat from the pit boss and the casino if you have a players card you can earn comps faster!!! Most casinos while base card counting on the result and not on if you are doing it correctly. The one time I get kicked out of the casino for card counting I was constantly playing with my chips. I had made $80 at a $1 minimum table my bets would swing from $1 to $20 and I was getting lucky to lose a lot of small bets and getting lucky to pick up a lot of big bets. I'm confidente had i pocket the money i wouldn't of been asked not to play blackjack!!!
ihate17 said:Counters do get tossed while winning and so do lucky players at many sweat joints, but ask enough experienced counters and they will tell you that getting the tap while losing is something that happens quite often but only happens in casinos that actually know what they are doing. I kind of think some of the casino personel get a kick out of backing a counter off while he is losing big, letting him know that he will not make a comeback in their house. My second backoff came while losing.
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learningtocount said:In the casino that I work in there is a mindplay system that reads all the cards at the end of the bet and reads how much the player is betting. This computor can determine if you are an advantage player or not weather or not you are winning or losing.
learningtocount said:Dealers don't shuffle because cards either favor the player or the house they shuffle for one of two reasons there running out of cards or they have a new player coming in. The told me that I have to reshuffle before letting a new player in. Never once has the pit boss come over to me and told me to shuffle because the count was too high or too low. My screen doesn't tell me the count just if I have a blackjack and what spots have bets out.
Bojack1 said:Thank you for that answer, thats the one I was looking for. Most counters will not be bothered if you are playing low stakes. If you notice the pit bosses they barely take notice of the $5 thru $15 minimum player. Heck even trying to get their notice for the comps can be downright difficult. They usually cater to the players putting out bigger money. At the lower limit tables your dealer is the only real connection you have to the casino. Sure the pit bosses get called for cash ins and color out, but so many times they really come over for just procedure reasons, not really paying attention to the actual action. And very few dealers even know how to play advantage blackjack, let alone spot it. Honestly very few dealers know how to even play basic strategy, so there is no real threat from them. And as learningtocount said the dealers are typically on the players side in hopes of better tips. So if you're counting at one of these lower limit tables I wouldn't worry about spreads or cover play too much, or catching any heat. Its when you move your play up to the green tables and higher where you should start concerning yourself with cover. Although I would like to add, if you are at a red table betting heavy green or black, then you will draw attention to yourself. The best bet is to play the color that the table calls for, its easier to blend in that way, and you can stash chips to hide the amount you really have. If you're the only one playing black at a red table, they know exactly how much you have, and how much you've won.
learningtocount said:Where the make me shuffle before a new player enters is on the single deck game not on the shoe game on the shoe game players can enter as they please with no shuffle.
learningtocount said:I was wondering if that answered your question on proceedure? Are you going to come to the crystal bay club and play?
learningtocount said:When you sit downto a blackjack game why don't you buy two colors of chips for the small player red and green $5 and $25 chips sit back bet the red until the count runs favorable than bet the green!!! I think that this style of betting attracks a lot less attenion than betting 5 red chips because it is a lot less visual appealing because when you win you are only winning one chip even though it is 5 times the amount!!! This with stuffing your pockets with chips is what will make you go unnoticed in the casino.
learningtocount said:I just wanted to clerify that it is not against the rules to pocket your own chips. Playing with other players makes it a lot harder for the casino to know how much you have won!!!
BlackJackRook said:Im not writing this to sound conceited, so dont take it as that. Im not an idiot college student who walks into a casino with 100 bucks extra from his job that week and plays 30 hands of blackjack and says aw shit, I lost it all. I have in fact only played blackjack once when I dealt at one of my brothers parties, where I made over 30 bucks in 2 decks worth of dealing. I have played poker all through high school, games as low as 5 dollars and as big as 40 for buy in. Chump change for some of you on here Im sure, but Im 17. Ive calculated my winnings to almost 2,000$. But thats poker, with blackjack I know that the odds are not in favor of the player, and thats why I havent ever played it. Thats why Im on here, to see if it is a possible way to make money. Clearly it is if someone is as good as you (iHate17)and can double theyre bankrolls as much as you. What Im looking for is a good step by step program to improve my blackjack game to the point where I can sit at a low table and maybe win a couple hundred in a few hours of play and pretend to be a lucky college student just there to waste his money. I dont however mean to walk into this stupidly and just start playing. Ive been very uncertain about blackjack for quite some time, but my friend officially got me to commit. Going to get Renzeys book, that seems quite well acclaimed from this site, as well as others. Suggestions of course are appreciated, especially ihate17, you seem to be the guy on here that talks.
BlackJackRook said:Alright, thats what I was kind of looking for, however you did do a great job of making me really want to count now. You said that with a small bankroll it wouldnt be possible, which is the auto turn off for a college student because Id be walking in there with a max BR of 2k. I am expecting to focus on Education while at college, but I figured earning money in a casino on the weekend would be better then going and getting drunk. Was just checking options, blackjack seemed like a possibility, but now I see that poker is a much better option. The only thing is that you said less then 1% of blackjack counters become successful, and that pretty much means that Ill be doing anything to be one of those some point in the future. Thanks for the numbers, is there any good software that I could download to practice counting?
cass said:You could play with the 2k, your top bet should not be more than $50. You would have to accept that overall your Risk or ruin would be around 15%. Meaning you have a 15% chance of losing it all before you would make enough money that it would not be possible to go broke (assuming you were doing things correctly). 2k is a good trip bankroll for a $50 top bet(spreading 5-50). You could always plan on adding more to your bankroll in the future.
Ray said:If they make learningtocount shuffle when a new player wants to enter, this will effectively eliminate backcounting (low limit). I've never seen that procedure. Could it be that he is dealing at a green or black table that has the mid-deck/shoe sign in place and it is standard procedure to wait for the shuffle prior to entry?
i_dream_of_Jaynie3367 said:I witnessed re-shuffle upon a new player entering last year in Vegas at the California Casino. I hated that! After 2 rounds I got really annoyed and moved on to somewhere else. That was the only casino I ever saw them re-shuffle upon a new player entering.
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