Fast Cash BJ
  • Encountered this game,tonite,in my friendly illegal Russian Mob casino.They mostly offer poker. They used to offer BJ,but it seemed too many people were getting mugged right after winning the houses money.This game seems safer.
    Everyone makes a $25 bet.There are no splits or double downs allowed,nor insurance.If the dealer beats you,you are eliminated from the round. Round continues until only one player remains.He wins entire pot,gives 8% to the house,and a new round begins.A round can be anywhere from 1 to 20/30 hands.If the dealer and one player get BJ on first hand,player wins the whole pot.
    With 7 players,if you win 1 round every 7,you pretty much break even,but 2 or 3 quick wins can make a nice score.They use a SD,shuffled after every round.
    Thoughts?
  • They risk ZERO dollars and take their % after every game! Beautiful ! ! !
    Hell, i think I might offer it as a side game on poker night :D

    A 7 to 1 payoff is kingly too, if you can play a better strategy than the other players, based almost completly on your % chance to bust.

    Can you describe the game in greater detail?
  • NYB said:
    .....Everyone makes a $25 bet.There are no splits or double downs allowed,nor insurance.If the dealer beats you,you are eliminated from the round. Round continues until only one player remains.He wins entire pot,gives 8% to the house,and a new round begins.A round can be anywhere from 1 to 20/30 hands.If the dealer and one player get BJ on first hand,player wins the whole pot.
    With 7 players,if you win 1 round every 7,you pretty much break even,but 2 or 3 quick wins can make a nice score.They use a SD,shuffled after every round.
    Thoughts?


    Sounds interesting...
    Seems you could do this with some friends over to watch a game or race, and I think you could skip the house keeping the 8%.
    I do need some clarification.
    1) Do the players that beat the dealer (and therefore remain in the round) bet another $25 each HAND, or do you only bet the $25 at the beginning of the ROUND?
    2) Let's say the dealer beats 5 out of 7 players on the first hand. That would leave 2 players. On the next hand, the dealer beats those 2 players. Does the dealer (house) win the money then? This seems like it could come up often.
    ALSO, Lots of times multiple people beat the dealer (ex: the dealer busts). But to win the pot, you have to be the ONLY player that beat the dealer?
  • Mighty Joe said:
    They risk ZERO dollars and take their % after every game! Beautiful ! ! !
    Hell, i think I might offer it as a side game on poker night :D

    A 7 to 1 payoff is kingly too, if you can play a better strategy than the other players, based almost completly on your % chance to bust.

    Can you describe the game in greater detail?


    Yes Russians are smart. No risk + Some reward > Some risk + More reward. At least they seem to think so with this game.

    If I’m reading his description of the game right, and I like to think that I am, it seems like this is a lot like Montana Red Dog. Please don’t hold me to that, it’s been at least a year and that was a foggy night…I think that’s how that game was played as well.

    It seems as though everyone pays 25$ to enter the game, that’s it, flat rate. Then everyone plays against the dealer until they lose. If 4 of 7 people lose on the 1st hand, great. 3 people advance. Then on that next 1 person loses to the dealer, great, next hand. Then dealer busts, great, next hand. Then 1 of the 2 loses, and the winner is crowned and he gets his 175$ - 8%, so 161$ - 25$ he put in, or 136$ profit. I’d assume if all the remaining players lost on the same hand, say dealer gets black jack they replay the hand…There seems to be no skill involved in this type of game because there is no betting, and therefore you’re only giving money to the house. Play the game long enough you’ll have 0$. Play it once, and win, congratulations you’re a lucky guy and you get 136$. This seems like it would be a game that would be played at my brother’s card night for fun with his buddies and me, not an actual game in a card club. The Russians are smart, they’re just taking all your money.

    If this isn’t how the game works, then I’m wrong, and maybe there is room for profit margin, but with no betting there’s no skill, you should just be playing high card against 6 people for 161 dollars, and saving a lot of time.

    Apologies if my math was off, it’s 4:30 here and I’m out of it but can’t sleep. Yay for insomnia.
  • That pretty much sums up the game, MJ.
    If you have any specfic questions,fire away.
  • BlackJackRook said:
    There seems to be no skill involved in this type of game because there is no betting


    I'm not sure about this...

    As you said, there is obviously no skill involved in betting strategy. However, assuming that players don't play their hands at the same time, I think there might be some interesting playing strategy deviations. (By "don't play their hands at the same time", I mean that first base plays his hand first while the others watch, then the middle players play, and third base plays last).

    For example, if you're playing third base and all the other players have busted, a push is equivalent to a win (assuming that if you push and the other players lose then you win). This probably has some effect on BS.

    On the other hand, if you're playing third base and at least one other player did not bust, you are not only playing against the dealer but also against the other player(s). Let's say you're dealt a 12 and another player stands on 17. In standard blackjack, if you stand, your only chance of winning is if the dealer busts - you have no chance to push and if the dealer hits to 17-21, you lose. In this game, if you stand, you "push" if the dealer busts or hits to 18-21. The only way to lose is if the dealer hits to 17. (In the last example, I put push in quotations because I don't think it's equivalent to the normal blackjack push). I'm sure these factors have some effect on BS also.

    Note that you don't have to play after another player to benefit - if the cards are being dealt face up, first base will also have some additional information to take into account before he plays.

    Although I know little about tournament strategy, I would guess that optimal play for this game has similarities to optimal tournament strategy.

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