A/10 Front Count Cover Question
  • What did I do wrong? Early this AM I was playing Seneca Allegheny and started of using A/10 Front Count. First table I backcounted I caught a 36 count and jumped in betting $100. First shoe won $400. Next shoe I stayed at table starting with a bet of $25 and after two decks had a 37 count. I immediately increased bet to $100 and played remaining shoe. Won another $300. Stayed at table for third shoe opening bet at $25. Another 37 after two decks and I immediately increased bet too $100. Won $800 on this shoe for a total for a total of $1500 in three shoes. Stayed at table with opening bet of $25 and five minutes later I got a tap on the shoulder. Told me they don't want my action and was asked to leave. No problem...Picked up my chips, cashed and left. I'm in Canada now and sitting in my room eating lunch prior to playing this afternoon. Any advice. I know it was simply luck in getting three good shoes in a row, but what should I do if this situation happens again. Thanks, JP
  • Several months ago I read about a winning player who was approached by the pit boss who asked if he was using the "Ace 10 Front Count". Evidently, some personnel know about this strategy! Maybe you should not increase your bets from $25 to $100 so quickly. Congratulations on you success. I have a difficult time finding even ONE playable shoe, not to mention 3 or 4 in a row. And a shoe with "36" or "37" does not always make you a winner.
  • jimpenn said:
    What did I do wrong? Early this AM I was playing Seneca Allegheny and started of using A/10 Front Count. First table I backcounted I caught a 36 count and jumped in betting $100. First shoe won $400. Next shoe I stayed at table starting with a bet of $25 and after two decks had a 37 count. I immediately increased bet to $100 and played remaining shoe. Won another $300. Stayed at table for third shoe opening bet at $25. Another 37 after two decks and I immediately increased bet too $100. Won $800 on this shoe for a total for a total of $1500 in three shoes. Stayed at table with opening bet of $25 and five minutes later I got a tap on the shoulder. Told me they don't want my action and was asked to leave. No problem...Picked up my chips, cashed and left. I'm in Canada now and sitting in my room eating lunch prior to playing this afternoon. Any advice. I know it was simply luck in getting three good shoes in a row, but what should I do if this situation happens again. Thanks, JP



    If you follow the count accurately with your bets, and you are betting black, you are going to have problems.

    Simplest issue is that casinos use a piece of software that lets the eye people replay the table you are at, entering the cards as they are played, and it displays the count for various counting systems on the screen, and then correlates your bets with those systems. If you don't do something for cover at that level, this will alert them that there is a high correlation between your bets and count "X" and away you go... Other casinos have an accomplished card counter that can either watch your play live if you camp out long enough, or review the video if you leave after a short session. And again, you are done...


    If you ramp your bet more carefully, say after a win leave your winnings on the table in a parlay, it is not as noticable.

    Welcome to the cat-and-mouse game of wits with the pit on top of the game of blackjack against the dealer...
  • Jimpenn -- Notice on page 124 of Bluebook that it suggests to increase your bets first from $25 to $50, then to $100. If a six unit bet is warranted, it says to go 25-50-100-150, in three steps.
    Something the book does not mention in that particular chapter (but in later ones) is if you finish the shoe with a high bet and remain there for the next one, it's best to come off the top with a 2-to-3 unit bet, then quickly taper back. I would leave a 4 or 5 unit bet out there for show all during the shuffle, then trim it to 2 or 3 units just when the burn card is going into the discard tray.
    By the way, a "37" front count with a six deck shoe is "marginal" and equal to about a +1.2 true count. That might be worth betting a couple of units, but the book recommends a "36" front count (+1.6 t/c) before going to 4 units.
  • Thanks Everyone...as soon as I hit the send button on my post I thought about the ramping of the increased betting units. I screwed up and it could have been avoided. Well, I think I can get back in a few months. I stopped playing with a player's card at this stop about six months ago. By the way, they asked me for ID and I just told them I didn't bring it with me. No big fuss made by staff.

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