$20,000 High Roller...
  • Watched a dude "burn" through $20,000 in about 30 minutes last night...

    This guy "played" ok (e.g., Basic Strategy, [but No Surrender]),
    but had no real betting "strategy" at all,
    other than to bet $500 to $2500 per hand...

    It was at a $100 to $5,000 table, 6 deck shoe.
  • Just this past Saturday saw Charles Barkley drop $600,000 playing blackjack. According to the pit his average bet was $35,000. At one point he had taken out 2 $500,000 markers. Although he's a regular player, he is actually a pretty bad one. From what I saw he plays all crazy hunches and loves to split and double everything. What a shame, I'm sure theres quite a few advantage players out there that would like a shot at playing with that bankroll.
  • No average player can beat a six deck shoe consistantly on a shoe when you do get an advantage it is much much smaller than on a single deck. Plus there are a lot more cards too keep track of. On a shoe you might get to a point where you have .01% advantage to .1% where as on a single deck you could easily get a 3% advantage because on a single deck a 3rd of the time it has 3% advantage for the player.

    p.s. The casinos must love charles barkely what do you think his average disadvantage is?
  • Sorry learningtocount but it being a 6 deck shoe has nothing to do why Sir Charles lost his money. The fact that he absolutely butchers basic strategy is exactly why he loses. He doubles every soft hand from A,6 down no matter what the dealer has. He never doubles or hits A,7 no matter what the dealer has. And he splits everything but 9's again no matter what the dealer has. And there really is no telling when he's going to stand or hit a 16 vs 10. And never does he surrender or take insurance. All those really bad plays make for disasterous results.
    As far as an average player not being able to beat a 6 deck shoe, thats only correct if they're not counting. As a matter of fact if you don't count you're not going to beat a single deck either. And with most single decks being 6:5 blackjack, I'll take a 6 deck shoe with good rules over that any day of the week. As long as you have strong counting skills you have a chance to beat most any game, except the 6:5 blackjack ones.
  • Hey Bojack

    I read your thread about perfection. If that is the case, doesnt an unbalanced count make so much more sense for most of us then ?
    I heard the argument about indices, but Snyder himself has said that the gain is so small that it really isnt advantageous for most. Also, according to KO authors(for example) in theory, hi-low may be a bit stronger, but in practice, given your example and your friends from his seminars, doesnt a unbalanced make sense ? You also gain almost 90% with KO prefered indices. So, how many actual plays do we miss out on for the average counter ? I'll bet you it has NO reflection on our EV at the end of the day.

    thnx
    the golfnut
  • golfnut101 said:
    Hey Bojack

    I read your thread about perfection. If that is the case, doesnt an unbalanced count make so much more sense for most of us then ?
    I heard the argument about indices, but Snyder himself has said that the gain is so small that it really isnt advantageous for most. Also, according to KO authors(for example) in theory, hi-low may be a bit stronger, but in practice, given your example and your friends from his seminars, doesnt a unbalanced make sense ? You also gain almost 90% with KO prefered indices. So, how many actual plays do we miss out on for the average counter ? I'll bet you it has NO reflection on our EV at the end of the day.

    thnx
    the golfnut

    Sure, if KO is the counting system you are most comfortable than thats what you should use. The key is using your system correctly, and you are right that you will lose more than you could gain by making mistakes using hi-lo. Honestly I've only used the hi-lo system so thats what I'm comfortable with. Plus true count conversion has helped train me for deck sizing for things like shuffletracking. But no matter what counting system you use, you must be good at it to really play at an advantage. So I believe you to be correct that you will lose virtually nothing by using KO, but I don't ever think i said you would.

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