the kiss III count
  • i've been practicing the kiss III count taught in blackjack blueboo II. it says it's an unbalanced count-does that mean alot to my final win or lose results? is a balanced count very meaningful to me? i don't like the idea of having to divide by the number of cards left so i really like the idea of the unbalance count. thanks-
    Gina
  • Casinophile -- Unbalanced counts with the same level of difficulty in their card tag structure tend to underperform balanced counts by a few hundredths percent. For example, where the balanced Hi/Lo Count would produce a net advantage of +0.72%, KISS III will yield +0.70% and KISS II will yield +0.64%. That's basically like saying that at a particular stakes, Hi/Lo will earn $72/hr, KISS III will earn $70/hr and KISS II will earn $64/hr.
  • A wise person once said that to make KO (another unbalanced count) equivalent to HiLo, just play another two minutes for each hour. The same would apply to KISS III.
  • the question I come up with is why put yourself through the changes of dividing the running count by the cards left in the shoe-doesn't hardly seem worth it to me.
  • doesn't it seem to make sense to use the unbalanced count? it seems that for one thing you'd have alot less errors,right? and it just seems like in the loud and busy casino the unbalance count would be alot easier on the brain.what do you all think? am i missing something?
  • If you play mostly shoe games, the difference in balanced and unbalanced counts is not worth any consideration. But, if your location offers good single and/or double deck games, you may want to consider a balanced count such as H/L or the higher PE level two Zen count, etc.

    Finding these playable games is not all that easy. Those that are available usually cut-off half the pack and are limited in number which tends to assure the casino of full tables. These are unplayable games.

    If the games are playable, (has good rules, min of 60% pen and just a few players) then the fact that a balanced count will support 50-75 variations in basic is important toward performance.

    I've got one location that offers good double deck games and that is the reason that I now play some DD after 12 yrs. absence.
  • Read Bojacks post on 'perfection'. My ultimate goal is to not only master hi-low, but to be able to shuffle track. BUT, I am also realistic. I currently use KO prefered. Their is no question it is less taxing for the AVERAGE newbie.
    And remember, for most of us, that extra $2/hr does not mean alot, but for a pro who is laying down the big bets with a team, that slim advantage is huge in his overall EV. Be realistic, work your ass off if you are serious, and learn to walk before you run. I am by no means saying unbalanced is 'better' but for most, after reading that post by Bojack, the answer is to keep it simple and strive for perfection. Erors cost money, which equates into frustration, and ultimately, giving up. Just like when you teach a young athlete a new skill; learn it right, then learn how to do it fast. Learn to keep that count to perfection. Dont worry about money. Thats running. Worry about proper counting skills, thats walking.

    "I cant imagine anyone not giving this game of life everything he's got"
    best of luck
  • golfnut101 said:
    Read Bojacks post on 'perfection'. My ultimate goal is to not only master hi-low, but to be able to shuffle track. BUT, I am also realistic. I currently use KO prefered. Their is no question it is less taxing for the AVERAGE newbie.
    And remember, for most of us, that extra $2/hr does not mean alot, but for a pro who is laying down the big bets with a team, that slim advantage is huge in his overall EV. Be realistic, work your ass off if you are serious, and learn to walk before you run. I am by no means saying unbalanced is 'better' but for most, after reading that post by Bojack, the answer is to keep it simple and strive for perfection. Erors cost money, which equates into frustration, and ultimately, giving up. Just like when you teach a young athlete a new skill; learn it right, then learn how to do it fast. Learn to keep that count to perfection. Dont worry about money. Thats running. Worry about proper counting skills, thats walking.

    "I cant imagine anyone not giving this game of life everything he's got"
    best of luck
    Great advice Golf. You have to learn to ride a bike before you ride a Harley. Start with a simple count learn it TO PERFECTION then start moving up the BJ foodchain.Certinly what I have tried to follow.

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