Casionos That Don't Check For BJ W/ Dealer Showing a 10!
  • I got in a huge argument w/ a friend the other night about this! She insists that there is no casino in North America that doesn't check for BJ on a 10 and I know I have played where the dealer doesn't check....just can't remember where! Could anyone PLEASE provide the name of casinos that don't check for BJ if dealer is showing a 10?! This would be a huge victory for me! Male pride is on the line!
  • Barbary Coast in Las Vegas does not check with a ten showing. They do not have that mirror thing in the table to check for blackjacks. They do check with an ace showing, but they manually lift the card to do that. They do not check if a ten is showing. Instead, they play the hand out. If you double down or split, and the dealer ends up having a blackjack, you lose your original bet, but you don't lose the double down or split bet. This makes the stratagy identical to the usual American peek rule.

    It is my understanding that none of the "Coast" casinos in Vegas check with a ten showing, but Barbary Coast is the only one that I have seen for myself. I played there this past July.

    The Boardwalk casino in Vegas used to be like that too, until they closed.
  • Thank you thank you thank you! If anyone else wants to add in other casinos...please do, as it will only help build my case!
  • Stardog75 said:
    Thank you thank you thank you! If anyone else wants to add in other casinos...please do, as it will only help build my case!


    The casino has to pay a fee for those peepers and Coast is too cheap. So the dealer has to peek at his hole to see if there is a blackjack but Coast is too paranoid that someone will see that hole card, so they look after everyone has hit.

    ihate17
  • iHate....one of the few posters who I believe in this forum to be legit. Forget about the poppies here, I'm talking about the regular posters on a daily basis. Renzey is the greatest. He pops up here and now with his opinions and always answers when people tell him how great his Blackjack Bluebook II is for the AP. It is a good book, but the story has been told many times before in many publications. He reminds me of Snyder and Wong. All are past cons that made it in the blackjack book business. I think Snyder was a mailman who sold bogus winning gambling systems while working for the post office. Life is good, but don't think your going to make a living at blackjack. Consider your loss the cost of entertainment like going to a professional football game today and spending $300 for a seat and $5 for a hotdog. Beyond 14 is a ghost of the past...bottom line.
  • countfast said:
    iHate....one of the few posters who I believe in this forum to be legit. Forget about the poppies here, I'm talking about the regular posters on a daily basis. Renzey is the greatest. He pops up here and now with his opinions and always answers when people tell him how great his Blackjack Bluebook II is for the AP. It is a good book, but the story has been told many times before in many publications. He reminds me of Snyder and Wong. All are past cons that made it in the blackjack book business. I think Snyder was a mailman who sold bogus winning gambling systems while working for the post office. Life is good, but don't think your going to make a living at blackjack. Consider your loss the cost of entertainment like going to a professional football game today and spending $300 for a seat and $5 for a hotdog. Beyond 14 is a ghost of the past...bottom line.


    careful, your ignorance is showing. Snyder and Wong are _not_ "cons". Ask any real BJ player about either of those two. The word "con" won't be one of the adjectives they use. Both made a lot of money at the tables (and still do). Both made a small amount of money selling books (blackjack books do not make the NY Times best seller list). Both still willingly give advice to those intelligent enough to ask.

    No need to insult someone that you don't even know...
  • countfast said:
    iHate....one of the few posters who I believe in this forum to be legit. Forget about the poppies here, I'm talking about the regular posters on a daily basis. Renzey is the greatest. He pops up here and now with his opinions and always answers when people tell him how great his Blackjack Bluebook II is for the AP. It is a good book, but the story has been told many times before in many publications. He reminds me of Snyder and Wong. All are past cons that made it in the blackjack book business. I think Snyder was a mailman who sold bogus winning gambling systems while working for the post office. Life is good, but don't think your going to make a living at blackjack. Consider your loss the cost of entertainment like going to a professional football game today and spending $300 for a seat and $5 for a hotdog. Beyond 14 is a ghost of the past...bottom line.


    Countfast,
    Not sure why you call me real and the other guys not. Perhaps because I do not write books on how to count, but I do not consider myself an inovator. I consider myself a good technician, who can take what others discover and put it to use. But, I am also writing a book, but it will be a book of stories, mainly humorous or studies of what happens in human nature on the blackjack tables, probably to be called something like, "tales from the felt."

    Concerning the new books (go to your local bookstore and there are 5 useless voodoo books for each with worthwhile information) the decent books are more or less a tweak to what has already been writen. Newer systems are based upon old ones but with a change of value for a couple of cards. Some give more betting power, some more insurance power and some are just not as good but perhaps easier to apply or just not as good.

    In another thread you questioned the ability to make money in this game. For well over 20 years I have been making money (there have been a few years that were loses, mainly in the earlier years), not enough to live on but I consider myself a heavy recreational player with about 500 hours per year on the table. Besides being proficient in your count system and putting the big bets out when called for, I consider the playing of only good games extremely important and your example of that 8 deck shoe leads me to believe you are playing an inferior game. There are playable 8 deck shoes but the vast majority of them of marginal at best and require a bigger spread than even a 6 deck shoe. In Vegas or California there is never a reason to play an 8 decker, in New Jersey it might be different.

    ihate17
  • Anyone with a decent BR can avoid playing in bad conditions.
    I used to play in AC because I live in NYC.Now,instead of weekly trips to AC,I make a bi-monthly trip to Vegas.The expenses are pretty much the same. 7 or 8 trips on the Hound vs one roundtrip on Jet Blue.
    I might not get as much action as I desire,but I play very beatable SD and DD games instead of 8 deck shoes.
    If you are a serious player,you can get to Vegas for the cost of a couple of betting units.There is no reason to play anywhere where the rules and games suck.
  • stainless steel rat said:
    careful, your ignorance is showing. Snyder and Wong are _not_ "cons". Ask any real BJ player about either of those two. The word "con" won't be one of the adjectives they use. Both made a lot of money at the tables (and still do). Both made a small amount of money selling books (blackjack books do not make the NY Times best seller list). Both still willingly give advice to those intelligent enough to ask.

    No need to insult someone that you don't even know...



    My regular business is in a specialty type of field where a very small percentage of the population has any interest. In that way it is like advantage blackjack, few people will ever take the time and effort to learn or have the interest to do so.
    Many many books are written in this field by real experts and some by questionable experts. I only know of two of perhaps hundreds of recent authors who actually made any money that is measurable on their books. They write because they love the research and perhaps want some acclaim, but they do not write for profit.
    There is also a social problem (perhaps the wrong choice of words) in being an advantage blackjack player when relating this to non advantage players, non players, family, friends and workmates. You can be the greatest cardcounter in the world but who can you share this with? People immediately think you are some kind of problem gambler or at best a big liar. So some guys needing an outlet, a way to tell the world, write books for their ego. Maybe not a great reason, but they are also human and most people who are really good at something want recognition. It is also why some of these guys are interested in some of the tv deals for blackjack. That does not make them con men or liars, it just makes them human.

    ihate17
  • ihate17 said:
    There are playable 8 deck shoes but the vast majority of them of marginal at best and require a bigger spread than even a 6 deck shoe. In Vegas or California there is never a reason to play an 8 decker, in New Jersey it might be different.

    ihate17


    I agree, 8-deck games are bogus. Unfortunately, I stayed in one at the Venetian (sp?) that wiped out my hard-earned $400 winnings from the excellent 6-deck game they offer at the Hilton Las Vegas. And it all happened in 10 minutes! Until I get a bigger bankroll and more experience, I'm sticking with approximately a 1-5 spread.

    I have read several posts from 17 and Bojack and I agree with the comments about avoiding the 1- and 2-deck games. Those 6-5 BJ payoffs are a dealbreaker for me, along with the weak penetration. Plus your bet variances have to be more obvious. 6-deck shoe game all the way!
  • There are many very good DD games in Vegas,and some nice SD,that don't pay 6-5. You just need to open your eyes and find them.
    But you seem to have made up your mind that the games are not beatable.
  • Knox said:
    I have read several posts from 17 and Bojack and I agree with the comments about avoiding the 1- and 2-deck games. Those 6-5 BJ payoffs are a dealbreaker for me, along with the weak penetration. Plus your bet variances have to be more obvious. 6-deck shoe game all the way!


    There are still plenty of SD and DD games that are playable. You just have to look for them. Tunica and Vicksburg you mentioned on a different thread you played at both have playable 3/2 SD games not the 6:5 crapjack.
  • AVS21... I can vouch for Tunica having some good games. And some crapjack. I've not been to Vicksburg recently enough to comment. But was in Tunica a month ago and played at every casino there... I found playable games nearly everywhere. While I prefer SD/DD games, I will play shoes when practical (can't be so crowded I can't backcount and wong in when indicated). And I managed to find playable games all over the place, including a couple of good SD/DD games that were easily beatable if you didn't go nuts spreading.
  • avs21 said:
    There are still plenty of SD and DD games that are playable. You just have to look for them. Tunica and Vicksburg you mentioned on a different thread you played at both have playable 3/2 SD games not the 6:5 crapjack.


    I did not see the 3:2 SD game in Tunica. In fact, the SD game I saw paid 1:1 on BJ unless it was the same suite. That is even worse than 6:5 by my math!
  • Knox said:
    I did not see the 3:2 SD game in Tunica. In fact, the SD game I saw paid 1:1 on BJ unless it was the same suite. That is even worse than 6:5 by my math!



    I might be wrong, since my notes are not handy, but Fitz's had a 3:2 SD game I believe. At least it did 30 days ago... We stayed at the Hollywood which did not have anything decent except for OK shoe games (barely OK, no LS at all).

    Fitz had "full payout SD" advertising on the highway down to the "casino area"...
  • stainless steel rat said:
    I might be wrong, since my notes are not handy, but Fitz's had a 3:2 SD game I believe. At least it did 30 days ago... We stayed at the Hollywood which did not have anything decent except for OK shoe games (barely OK, no LS at all).

    Fitz had "full payout SD" advertising on the highway down to the "casino area"...


    Speaking of hollywood... Did you like the rooms? I really didn't like it how some of the rooms were set up. Instead of view of outside you have a view looking at the casino games. Maybe they could videotape you in your room if they want.
  • avs21 said:
    Speaking of hollywood... Did you like the rooms? I really didn't like it how some of the rooms were set up. Instead of view of outside you have a view looking at the casino games. Maybe they could videotape you in your room if they want.


    The place was OK, IMHO. Food not particularly great, but then not particularly expensive so they sort of offset each other. Fun to look at the DeLorean from back to the future, or walking under the Harrier mock-up from True Lies... Lots of slots, not a lot of table games, plenty of carnival games however...

    We had three of us in a room, so we had two double-beds. It was somewhat crowded, but the rooms (weekdays) were pretty cheap. Some sort of concert on Friday night had the rooms take a big jump but we didn't stick around for the weekend crowd... Middle of the week was really nice everywhere, not like Vegas at night, any night.

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