pcristiani said:What would be the essentials for having BJ as a part-time job?
learningtocount said:It depends on what side of the table you are playing at if you are playing as a casino owner or dealer you can make money playing blackjack!!! If you are a player it depends on what rules the casino has implented to weather it is beatable or not! If you have shitty rules than not even the best players can beat these games. If you are lucky enough to be in a casino that has descent rules double down on any two, blackjack pays 3:2, ect. I would say that 1 in 1000 players has the abilty to win money over an extended period of time say playing for 7 or 8 hours!!!
There will be maybe a 100 that will win in an hours time by chance and 900 that will lose in an hours time by poor playing!!!
beyond14 said:thats in macau , all casino is CSM only
i have no choose
if i fly to vegas , even i can win can i get back my frieght and hotel charge ?
beyond14 said:ihate17
i never count , since i only can play csm blackjack
but up to now i also win more than 10000 US within one year
gamble is gamble , luck is luck
of coz some can win more will lost
beyond14 said:my point is not said counting cannot earn
but how about if u lost one millon before u can win??
although u get more favour than the casino , but u can still lost big before u win ?right ?
beyond14 said:actually what game is a good game for couting?
i heard counting can maximum give 0.5% advantage to players
if the game is already -0.5% , then it even cannot give u anything even u are a good counter
beyond14 said:actually what game is a good game for couting?
i heard counting can maximum give 0.5% advantage to players
if the game is already -0.5% , then it even cannot give u anything even u are a good counter
ihate17 said:Your post is based just upon every player playing perfect basic strategy and still the casino profits, but I think we both know that the casino is not satisfied with a .5% profit and if every player played basic strategy, blackjack as we know it would no longer exist.
ihate17
chexplay said:I tend to disagree.
I believe .5% IS acceptable to the house. And if they were so worried about players knowing and using good basic strategy, why do they continue selling basic strategy cards in the casino gift shop! The slots are the big money makers, anyway.
NYB said:Dpends where you live.
In NY,the closest casinos are Atlantic City.
Looking at my offers for next week,I see that the Sands will give me $35 just for showing up anytime this week,and will give me a patio cocktail set if I go on Tuesday,as well.
Showboat will give me $15,and two free buffets.
Ballys is giving out outdoor horse-shoe sets this week.
Tropicana is giving away beach chairs,and some cash,but I misplaced the card so I don't know what.
If you are playing part-time,you can forget this $20,000 Kelly nonsense.
Thats for pros who can never refill their bankrolls by outside means,not for recreational gamblers.The only BR you need to worry about is the cash in your pocket.Playing on a $10 table,$500 is more than sufficent,as long as that is money you can afford to lose and can be replaced in the very near-term.
ihate17 said:Your post is based just upon every player playing perfect basic strategy and still the casino profits, but I think we both know that the casino is not satisfied with a .5% profit and if every player played basic strategy, blackjack as we know it would no longer exist.
Casinos expect, and do make, something between 2-3% on a game with just .5% edge. They are making that .5% off the BS player, but on many a poor player they are making well over 3%. I seen some so bad that it must approach 10%!! Every advantage player and even every basic strategy player, should be thanking that horrible player for existing, because without those really bad players we would be facing 1/1 blackjack with no splitting or doubling or worse. GIVE THE PLOPPY SOME LOVE!
So take your casino edge and multiply by 5 or 6, and now you get a figure that the casinos really make on blackjack. That figure leaves them plenty and they should not miss my little skim off of their profits.
ihate17
avs21 said:The ones they sell in the gift shop are not always 100% correct. I think they just have it their to make it look like they want you to win. I will once in awhile see people using them, but most don't bother with bringing them to the table. You will run into people at the tables who give the house a huge adv. Example one lady I was playing next to decided
to double down on her 5. Yes a five and the dealer had a 3 up!
chexplay said:I tend to disagree.
I believe .5% IS acceptable to the house. And if they were so worried about players knowing and using good basic strategy, why do they continue selling basic strategy cards in the casino gift shop! The slots are the big money makers, anyway.
nc-tom said:It is to bad beyond 14 that you have to play under those conditions. Do even the new vegas style places have only csm to? Though have to say I played in Macau in 88 before learning BS and again in 02 after learning BS and the games sucked then too, even before the advent of csm especially at the Lisboa
Bojack1 said:You see the problem with me stating dollar amounts is, I believe it would give some people an unrealistic sense of what they could accomplish. The results of my play are far from typical of the average advantage counter. Trying to be as careful as I can without insulting anyone, most people playing this game won't approach the level at which my team and I play at. That has nothing to do with me being superior to anyone, to the contrary there have been a lot of people on this site alone who could school me on different mathematical facts about the game. But my training and the professionalism we've had to take on over the years to play at this level is something that most can't do because of other obligations, or they choose not to because its all just for fun to them, both of which are just fine. All that being said, we had a real big score this past weekend with a net profit of over 230 units. Those results are not really typical, but they're not totally surprising either. On the other hand we've also had losses of well over 100 units in a single weekend, so we can lose big also. Such is the way of the game. If you really want more info send me a private message and I will see what I can do about divulging some monetary amounts. Please understand though if for hopefully obvious reasons I can't give you too much financial information.
pcristiani said:I've read that it's not, that it should only be played for "fun".. is this true? Or is it profitable, if so how much and how ?
I know it's a broad question.
countfast said:I had just written a long post after reading entire thread and I was booted just prior to forwarding it. No sense telling the truth in this or any forum because they are all run by the snake oil salesmen who publish books and software. The best anyone can do is breakeven in this game with substancial knowledge and a sufficient bankroll. Why do you think Grifter relocated and is now playing Poker? The game today can't be beat. I do believe you can break even with comps, but you better pick you spots and have an exceptional amount of patience. Like one poster said attempting to achieve a positive count is an 8D game is almost impossible today. Recently I was wonging at a local casino and backcounted 8 tables before I found a count worth entering. How long can you do this before you become a bedpost and sent on your way by management...not long unless your playing Vegas with multiple casinos and keep on the move.
countfast said:Good to see that everyone has opinions and personal success stories. I've been reading SSR's and Bojack's comments since 2003 and take them for a grain of salt. I've been around a few times and possess the drive, motivation, patience, and knowledge to achieve goals. My past includes starting, building and selling large three companies, in addition to being an Aide to the past Senator John Heinz when he was on the James Commission during the S&L scandal.
I have a question for you and Bojack. Why, if card counting systems could win , are there so many new books on card counting? It's been over 40 years since Thorpe started the ball rolling and how many new systems can there be? I know the game changed and how Wong, Snyder,etc. testified for the casinos about bogus systems during the Atlantic City case on card counting. I think they used their real names during the case. I even think Rubin has a say at the trial. Hell, Snyder was a mail carrier when he started selling bogus gaming systems (on the side) in California. Aside from both of your forum success stories, how many documented wins have the both of you had in the arena? Hell, either one of you could be Renzy,etc. helping promote another one of his never ending new books.
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