Some Newbie Questions
  • Hi people, I have been to casino for a couple of times and everytime I have tried my best to apply the basic DJ strategy (yes, I got it wrong sometimes), so far I am losing around £45 after about 3 hours of averaged £6 per round playing on a 6 decks, dealer stand on 17 table. :(

    I have done some more researchs, but I sitll need a little bit of feedbacks.

    • What is the difference between Las Vegas Multiple Deck and Atlantic City Multiple Deck?

    • As far as I know, by apply the basic DJ strategy can turn the casino edge down to appox 0.5%, if i were to play on the table as above, is that correct?

    • I always started by winning about 6 rounds ahead, then I will kinda back to where is started or left with small profit, the only reason that i can think of is difference bet amount, which i always try to keep the same, but I still don't see why people says leave once you have some profits.
    • I wonder if becoming a dealer in casino for months will actually help to learn more advanced strategies that will turn the casino edge down even more than just playing as a player?


    During the research I found some sites and these two is about odds, so if anyone interested, you can have a look at those.

    http://www.blackjacktactics.com/blackjack/odds/

    http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack

    Thanks in advance. :)
  • hyper said:
    Hi people, I have been to casino for a couple of times and everytime I have tried my best to apply the basic DJ strategy (yes, I got it wrong sometimes), so far I am losing around £45 after about 3 hours of averaged £6 per round playing on a 6 decks, dealer stand on 17 table. :(

    I have done some more researchs, but I sitll need a little bit of feedbacks.

    • What is the difference between Las Vegas Multiple Deck and Atlantic City Multiple Deck?

      Perhaps the LV offers surrender,

    • As far as I know, by apply the basic DJ strategy can turn the casino edge down to appox 0.5%, if i were to play on the table as above, is that correct?

      You are in the ballpark.

    • I always started by winning about 6 rounds ahead, then I will kinda back to where is started or left with small profit, the only reason that i can think of is difference bet amount, which i always try to keep the same, but I still don't see why people says leave once you have some profits.

      Because most people are clueless lemmings

    • I wonder if becoming a dealer in casino for months will actually help to learn more advanced strategies that will turn the casino edge down even more than just playing as a player?

      Doubtful,at best.


    During the research I found some sites and these two is about odds, so if anyone interested, you can have a look at those.

    http://www.blackjacktactics.com/blackjack/odds/

    http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack

    Thanks in advance. :)


    Best of luck
  • hyper, welcome to the board. Whether you have an advantage or not if you are not counting cards (or if you are) is dependent upon many things including the number of decks they are using, the rules that they are using, and the way you vary your own bets. If you are just flat betting (i.e. betting the same thing everytime), it is difficult to gain an advantage over the casino, but it is possible with favorable enough rules.

    I suggest you get one of the basic books and do a bit of reading -- there's a lot to absorb for someone new. Blackbelt in Blackjack is a good one -- also Blackjack Bluebook is excellent.

    As to your quandry about losing money at a table -- you have to realize that with such a small edge (sometimes 0.5%, 1%, etc) there will be many ups and downs along the way. This is simplifying things greatly, but consider that in 100 hands, you could expect to lose 49 of them and win 51 of them. Thus, if you play for an hour and play 60 hands, you could easily have a bad run and come out a loser. The more hands you play, the more likely you will have that 1% advantage, but you may not see that advantage in a night or even in a week. Its a long-term advantage and can fluctuate wildly.

    Keep asking questions -- I think BJ is an enthralling subject and its always interesting to learn more about it.
  • FunkyChicken said:
    hyper, welcome to the board. Whether you have an advantage or not if you are not counting cards (or if you are) is dependent upon many things including the number of decks they are using, the rules that they are using, and the way you vary your own bets. If you are just flat betting (i.e. betting the same thing everytime), it is difficult to gain an advantage over the casino, but it is possible with favorable enough rules.

    I suggest you get one of the basic books and do a bit of reading -- there's a lot to absorb for someone new. Blackbelt in Blackjack is a good one -- also Blackjack Bluebook is excellent.

    As to your quandry about losing money at a table -- you have to realize that with such a small edge (sometimes 0.5%, 1%, etc) there will be many ups and downs along the way. This is simplifying things greatly, but consider that in 100 hands, you could expect to lose 49 of them and win 51 of them. Thus, if you play for an hour and play 60 hands, you could easily have a bad run and come out a loser. The more hands you play, the more likely you will have that 1% advantage, but you may not see that advantage in a night or even in a week. Its a long-term advantage and can fluctuate wildly.

    Keep asking questions -- I think BJ is an enthralling subject and its always interesting to learn more about it.



    Also note that counting cards does _not_ make you win more hands than the dealer. You simply know when you have a better-than-usual chance of winning a specific hand, and you increase your bet there to take advantage of a favorable situation. You will _never_ win more than 50% of the hands played. You won't even approach that except for those rare +variance runs that happen here and there where you play a short session and just count the won/lost hands for that session...

    long term you are going to win less than 43% of the total hands... But you will be betting bigger on many of those hands to make more money than you lose...
  • stainless steel rat said:
    Also note that counting cards does _not_ make you win more hands than the dealer. You simply know when you have a better-than-usual chance of winning a specific hand, and you increase your bet there to take advantage of a favorable situation. You will _never_ win more than 50% of the hands played. You won't even approach that except for those rare +variance runs that happen here and there where you play a short session and just count the won/lost hands for that session...

    long term you are going to win less than 43% of the total hands... But you will be betting bigger on many of those hands to make more money than you lose...

    you wouldn't happen to have the winning percent of total hands for wong out play at say TC=-1 would you?

    best regards,
    mr fr0g
  • Thank a million for a replies guys :)
  • Just another question.

    On a 6 decks table, the dealer put the played cards back to the deck shuffle machine after every 3 or 4 rounds.

    I don't see how I can use Hi-Lo card counting system in this casino. I mean I don't really know which deck we are playing on, and therefore I can't work out the true count. Am I correct?
  • hyper said:
    Just another question.

    On a 6 decks table, the dealer put the played cards back to the deck shuffle machine after every 3 or 4 rounds.

    I don't see how I can use Hi-Lo card counting system in this casino. I mean I don't really know which deck we are playing on, and therefore I can't work out the true count. Am I correct?



    that is a continuous shuffling machine (CSM). You can not count cards playing in that game. The best playing strategy for CSM tables is to get up and walk away...

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