How to avoid P.B. heat while sucesfully card counting part 2!
  • One way that a casino can tell that you are counting is by bet spreading. One way to spread your bet with out the casino noticing you is to play mutiple hands. Also if you play multiple hands the casino requires you to make a larger bet. Lets say you are playing at the $5 minimum level and you want to play two hands you have to bet a minimum of $10 the casino rules alone give you a 1-4 bet spread on just two hands. If you want to play 3 hands you have to bet $25 a hand minimum a 1-15 bet spread. If you are betting $5 and just jump your bet on 1 spot to $75 it looks suspicious but if you spread them over 3 spots you look a lot less specious because a lot of players do this. Two hands is way more common than 3 but sometimes people do play 3! Playing multiple hands will also give the mind play machines a harder time detecting how much you are winning because they only tell how well a player is doing on each indivual spot. If you play two or three spots when there is at least one other player they will have a harder time keeping track of it. On the mindplay system that I use if player bets a spot than doesn't bet it will start to flash and I will remove the player. If you are removed than your winning and loss according to the computor start over.
    If you do this play you will need a lot larger bankroll a recomend 100 times your minimum bet or $500 for a $5 better because 2 or 3 bets placed in the same round will be a lot more volital than 2 or 3 bets placed in different rounds.
  • It doesn't quite work like that. 2 x 10 is not the same as 1 x 20 due to correlation between the hands. There's more math involved. Also casinos are just as savvy about catching you spreading to multiple hands in + counts as they are savvy about catching your spread big in + counts...

    there's far more to getting away with this than the above. If your act is good, you can get away with a lot. If your act is poor, you will get shown the door quickly if your betting level is high enough...
  • But his "advice" does seem to be getting better.Or headed in that general direction anyway
  • He is improving. I sure would enjoy reading a reply to this thread by LTC. It just may give away his cover..lol
  • One more way to avoid pit boss heat while sucessfully card counting is too play in blackjack tournaments. Tournaments are usually a great deal for the player because a lot of time the prize pool will return a 100% or better of the prize pool. If you are really a good player you will win more often than you will lose.

    You said that 2*10 does not equal 1*20 well lets do the math 2*10=20 1*20=20 oh look they are both twenty. If you give correlation between the two bets spreading your two bets might even be more profitable!!!
  • nobody said that 2*10 was not 1*20. But when you place bets, they are _not_ the same. Sorry. Read a book and learn why. It is not complicated. If you don't discover why, you are going to be overbetting and dealing with a very high RoR...
  • gotta be a put-on.
  • rogue1 said:
    gotta be a put-on.


    I believe he is for real.

    ihate17
  • What are you talking about he is for real. If you are talking about me yes I'm definitely for real.
  • learningtocount said:
    What are you talking about he is for real. If you are talking about me yes I'm definitely for real.



    LTC
    I believe you are for real. One of a kind, a sort of special member here, not putting us on at all, it is just who you are.

    ihate17
  • learning...

    Umm I wouldn't recommend that anyone spread more than say 1 to 6... MindPlay?!?!?

    DON'T EVEN SIT DOWN!, period.

    Pop Quiz: is there much difference between a player that bets $5 base and spreads 1 to 6, and a player using a $10 base and spreads 1 to 3?
  • Nickels_n_Bullets said:
    .......
    Pop Quiz: is there much difference between a player that bets $5 base and spreads 1 to 6, and a player using a $10 base and spreads 1 to 3?

    dunno if this was meant for Learning.....
    but my two cents worth is yep there is a significant differance if your playing from a fresh shoe and wonging out and even more significant if your playing all.
    each of those $10 base bets cast in a negative advantage situation is twice that of the $5 base player.

    best regards,
    mr fr0g
  • it was meant for anyone...

    Well thats true the minimum bet does lose more...
    but both can bet $30 when the going gets good.

    Hmmmm... how often do ya think someone spreading 5-30 bets 30... and how often wudda a player bet 30 if spreading 10 to 30?
  • I believe the $10 unit player would bet at least limit twice as often in positive situations.
  • Nickels_n_Bullets said:Hmmmm... how often do ya think someone spreading 5-30 bets 30... and how often wudda a player bet 30 if spreading 10 to 30?

    It would depend on their bet ramp. Assuming they have the same bankroll they would both be making the $30 bets at the same TC (the same % advantage) so nothing would change much there. The only difference is that the 1-3 player is losing more money in negative situations. The 1-6 player would have a lower average bet, lower variance, a higher EV and will reach the long run sooner.

    If they are using different bet ramps then things would be much different. If the 1-3 player is Wonging then he can get a decent EV with a smaller bankroll.

    -Sonny-
  • The Bet ramp:

    TC:<2 2 3 4 5<br />Bet: 1 2 2 4 6 for 1-6 $ 5
    Bet: 1 2 2 3 3 for 1-3 $10

    If that helps Sonny. Generally, right on the money. Its interesting that the 1-3 spread has a lower advantage, but makes about the same $/hr. Comps would favor the 1-3 player as the Ave. Bet is higher.
  • Separately... for whats written concerning the ramp the 1-6 player bets 6 about 5% of the time and the 1-3 player bets 3 about 10.5% of the time.

    A quit score of -3 was used for this particular level 2 method, and Ins. can be taken (not incl. in this study) at +5/+6 depending on decks remaining. I point this out because not all is equal amongst methods. The ramp suits this method in that wagering 2 negates losses of wagering 1. This may not hold true for RC methods or Level 1 methods.

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