stainless steel rat said:Several tips:
(1) you can go back. But don't play with the same pit boss if you can remember him/her. If you were read the trespass notice, and you signed an acknowledgement of such or they did it in front of a camera with audio, then stay away. But yours doesn't seem to fit that so I wouldn't worry and would go back if the game is playable next year.
(2) do _not_ camp out at a table. Keep sessions under an hour per pit. That keeps you under the radar.
(3) avoid playing across shift changes. This is because the two pit bosses discuss the "transition" and if you are playing when they change, they will discuss your play briefly and you don't want that kind of attention at all, if avoidable.
There are enough good games in Vegas that you don't have to become a "tombstone" (pit name for a player that sits at a table for hours). The longer you play, the more data you give the pit and the eye. And the more noticable you become. If you don't get noticed, they will have no reason to do a skills check and discover you are counting...
ihate17 said:[QUOTE=stainless steel rat]I've only heard that term used as "tombstone".
As far as backoffs go, unless you are playing at black and beyond, and spreading like a madman with zero cover, backoffs in vegas ought to be pretty rare.
I agree with this statement if it concerns most places on the strip but he did not say where he was playing.
Many casinos downtown have a quick hook and calling out checks play for a green chip sounds like the Western, the sweaty Spaniard (El Cortez) or a couple of other places where the money is sweated.
I would guess it was downtown but people get tossed from Barbary (barbaric) Coast all the time and other Coast casinos very easily.
learningtocount said:Penetration is irrelavant if you have seen 4 5's come off on a single deal than you should be a money favorite of 1 or 2 percent for the next round! you should disregard all the cards that they cut of unless you happen to see one, because they are just as likely to be in the undealt pack as they are to be in the muck. If you really wan't to play it safe when they cut of a lot of cards you can start the count at negative 1. In fact for every deck beyond one you should start your count minus 1. if you had three decks minus 2. Six decks minus 5 to start and so on. On single deck I will usually make my move on the second deal out I have seen a lot of cards on the first deal and it is fresh in my memory if i think the next round is favorable I might go from red to green chips!!!!
i_dream_of_Jaynie3367 said:Alrighty then! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! I'm not even going to bother to debate you on that one.
learningtocount said:I was just curious to see how many players have been barred from at least one casino for playing blackjack?
Judging by the response that this posting has gotten I think that at least I few of you have been barred from at least one casino.
How many of you players have never been barred but fear getting barred in the future?
First of all being barred from playing blackjack is not nearly as bad as you see being purtrade in the movies and on television. They won't take you in the backroom and beat you up and if they did couldn't you take them to court and sue them? Or possible have the people that beat you up charged with assualt and get them thrown in jail?
learningtocount said:Did you take some of the chips off of the table like I suggested or are you going to do that now? Have you ever thought of sueing the casino that did this to you?
learningtocount said:I was 86 from boomtown playing blackjack and I was only up like $40 from my orginal buy-in of $300. That day i think I played perfectly the other days I lost $300 playing good but not perfect stragedy. Do you think that standing on 16 vs a 10 gives an impersion that you are a really stupid player?
ihate17 said:Standing or hitting on 16 vs 10 is in itself a pretty borderline decision. Some pits and surviellance type believe it is not your hitting or standing that might lead them to think you are a counter but your mixing of the two since most players either just do one or the other. A counter will stay in a positive count and hit in the negative though. If the casino also offers surrender it becomes more complicated.
Hitting on 16 will give the pit the impression that you do know what you are doing. Staying will give them the impression that you are not that good.
ihate17
ihate17 said:Standing or hitting on 16 vs 10 is in itself a pretty borderline decision. Some pits and surviellance type believe it is not your hitting or standing that might lead them to think you are a counter but your mixing of the two since most players either just do one or the other. A counter will stay in a positive count and hit in the negative though. If the casino also offers surrender it becomes more complicated.
Hitting on 16 will give the pit the impression that you do know what you are doing. Staying will give them the impression that you are not that good.
Getting backed off at Boomtown is not hard to do. Getting backed off while losing or not winning a significant amount is also not rare. Your bet spread is the most common thing that will attract attention unless you just look and act like a counter at the table. Once you have received their attention, if you played long enough, they figured it out and it has nothing to do with winning or losing.
ihate17
stainless steel rat said:I would add that standing on 16 is actually a good plan all around. You will be wrong in negative counts, but you have small bets out. you will be right in + counts, when you have a big bet out. So you are consistent. The well-known "counter's basic strategy" has as the correct play as it is adjusted for a TC of +2 rather than approximately zero.
learningtocount said:It is the correct play to hit 16 vs a 10 it improves your chances by an average of 3% but hitting against 7,8,9,or Ace improves your chances of winning by a lot more. I think that the average player who has not read any books or done any real analysis would think that you gain by hitting against a 10 than a 7,8, or 9 because on those cards there are more oppurtunities for me to draw.
learningtocount said:However the game restricts what you can double on to 10-11 only. What is your evaluation of this game? This is the most common rule that I have come across on the single deck game.
learningtocount said:I have never seen anybody get thrown off a shoe game and I have been working as a dealer for 4 months now. However I have seen people that have been backed down from a single deck game. I myself have been backed down from a single deck game twice but never from a shoe. I think that when you have an edge on a shoe that it is so slight that casino might want to take the risk because they are banking on you every once in a while making a mistake. Plus the times when the casino has the edge on the shoe for the majority of the time but only a very small edge.
learningtocount said:I saw a player on the shoe game spread his bets from the table minimum of $5 to the table maximum of $200 lose the table minimum and win the table maximum and not be backed down on the shoe game. He was usually playing with $25 chips though. Personally I don't have the attention span to count down the shoe game and I don't know if he was counting or not. The single deck game offers an advantage for counters if they lose their count they can get a new deck really quickly. Where as a shoe can take 20 minutes to play out.
Ray said:
By the way...16 v 10 is the worst hand in BJ and you will lose approx'ly 73-75% of the time, hit or stand.
learningtocount said:I read in books that pit boss don't give women credit for being good blackjack players. I think that is a bunch of crap because I see women play and there are some decent players. Since there are very few people who play advantage blackjack I don't see a whole lot of women counters out there but I believe that they could count just as well as the men.
Knox said:On a $5-$10 table, when the count gets high just slip a green under a few reds. It will look like you are betting the same amount to the casually observing pit boss. I also like pocketing the green chips when I am doing well. I don't think they have never noticed me doing that.
learningtocount said:I wonder if casino give you heat when you insure a bad hand and win the insurance bet. Seeing as it is not normal behavior. If you have a blackjack and the right count to insure a very rare event than I think they over look that insurance bet because so many people take even money it is a normal thing for them. I think passing on insurance when it is not a big bet might be a smart idea. I think that profitable insurance on your big bets is the way to go because I see that people like to protect their big bets.
NYB said:I play a very comp friendly style and in small casinos pocketing green chips will piss off the pit crew no end.They may not see you do it but they'll know they are out of action and start hawking the table.If the majority of action on the table is red,you'd be surprised how much attention they pay to their sacred green chips.
stainless steel rat said:Insurance and splitting 10's are the two biggest give-aways there are. You have to "prepare" the dealer/pit for an insurance. For example taking even money on a 21 when you have a small bet out, which won't hurt your EV much but will set the stage for "this guy is a sucker"... If you play insurance by the count, trouble will follow unless you are just betting nickles and not spreading...
Nickels_n_Bullets said:SSR:
That leads to quite a few interesting scenarios wherein a non-counter can get tapped on the shoulder, simply because the shoe or playing time was advantageous, but the player doesn't profit, or doesn't catch a break. I might argue that the Casino uninvites a player simply because the shoe is good "after further review"... irrespective of name/face of such player. And quite frankly, if your review upstairs is true, then unless the WHOLE table is CLOSED, the ejection does appear arbitrary and capricious. Why single out one player when the whole table has been advantageous? Must be sumthin missin here unwritten.
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