Can you honestly beat a blackjack game?
  • Do you have the ability to go into a casino play a game and come out a winner 4 out 5 days plus in order for it to count the winnings from the 4 days have to be more than the loses from the 5 th day.

    At the Tahoe Biltmore I won more money than I lost in 5 consective playing sessions sense the rule change. In those 5 sesions I probably won $500-$600 there.

    At Boomtown over the course of year and half before I got backed down I won 80% to 85% of the time that I played there and I recieved a $125 in comps on top of that. In the net I probably won $400-$500 there.

    At other casinos I have not done so well
    At the peppermill in one night I lost $1,000

    At the Eldordo I have probably lost between $700-$1,000 on the blackjack tables alone another $1,000 or $2,000 on the poker tables.

    That shows you how crucial a few rule changes are such as they let you double after a split. Or for Boomtown they let you double on any two cards rare for single deck game that pays 3 to 2 for blackjack.

    If the casino takes away some of its good rules the patron will suffer finicially for even the best players if the rules are bad enough. I consider my play in Blackjack to be in the top 1% of players or better and if I have a hard time winning or I'm losing a lot in certain casinos with bad rules the average player has no chance at all to win.
  • learningtocount said:
    That shows you how crucial a few rule changes are such as they let you double after a split. Or for Boomtown they let you double on any two cards rare for single deck game that pays 3 to 2 for blackjack.


    Does Boomtown let you double after splitting also?
  • Doubling on any two cards is not rare for SD games.
    Whats rare is finding a SD game that pays 3-2. The majority of those SD games that pay 3-2 allow doubling on any two cards.

    LTC,
    I'm dieing to know just what it is that allows you to think you that you are better than 99% of us?
  • Boomtown does not allow a double after a split but they do pay your blackjack properly at 3 to 2. If you can find a game that allows double on any two cards double after a split odds are it is 6 to 5 blackjack and that is an inferior game.
    Boomtown's rules are what the average rules in las vegas where 30 years ago; Not the crappy rules they have today.
  • Mohegan Sun on the E Coast also the same for a shoe game with 2 extra decks. About 1/3%... and they're building a huge slot financed addition, and maybe POKER again !
  • learningtocount said:
    Boomtown does not allow a double after a split but they do pay your blackjack properly at 3 to 2. If you can find a game that allows double on any two cards double after a split odds are it is 6 to 5 blackjack and that is an inferior game.
    Boomtown's rules are what the average rules in las vegas where 30 years ago; Not the crappy rules they have today.



    I know I'm preaching to the choir,but with every post you make,it becomes clear you have no idea what conditions in Vegas are today.Your vaunted Boomtowns rules are no better than the games that exist in several Vegas casinos.
  • LTC, you have to master all of basic strategy and sufficiently understand at least one card counting system before you can say you are great at BJ. Your posts indicate that you know a lot about blackjack, but you also have some misconceptions and certainly don't understand things like variance, ROR, Kelly betting, etc. My advice to you would be to start studying a bit more before you risk tons of money.
  • Actually I don't think you have to be that good to be in the top 1% of BJ players in the world. As I'm painfully reminded every time I go to a casino, a person who does nothing but play perfect basic strategy is likely in the top 1%. :)
  • That's a fair point.
  • Got a break from Jury duty today and won 80 units. So yes, this game is beatable, but make no mistake about it, the casinos are trying to make it far more difficult.

    The store I was at today has two changes in the rules posted that will be implemented shortly.

    1)The rule where you must increase your bet on the second hand is going to be installed and modified. Instead of double the table limit on the second hand, in the future, you must double your current bet. For players like me this hurts because I can't play a strategy that has been very good to me. For example:
    if I'm at two units (70%) that amouts to $35 on each hand. Now it will be $35-$70. This is a spread and variance consideration that is down the drain.

    2)Hit soft 17 will implemented on shoe games for only a part of the shoe. One table that I was at was a test case and the dealer forgot to hit the soft 17 a couple of times. I did not determine the exact implementation, but the dealer goofs don't say much for this off-the-wall hairbrain thinking.

    One other thing.....There are some new ASM's and they are big heavy units that hang off the back of the table behind the shoe. You can't tell if the device is working or not...very quite and appears to be well made. I say appears because the very first table I was at, the bottom two cards did not trasfer and were in the machine (left side) when the dealer did another shuffle (we played a short shoe). Things came to a halt while a change-out took place. I think they were aware of the problem because they were using one shoe of cards.

    My $12.50 per day on Jury duty may be more valuable than I thought..........
  • Ray said:
    Got a break from Jury duty today and won 80 units. So yes, this game is beatable, but make no mistake about it, the casinos are trying to make it far more difficult.

    The store I was at today has two changes in the rules posted that will be implemented shortly.

    1)The rule where you must increase your bet on the second hand is going to be installed and modified. Instead of double the table limit on the second hand, in the future, you must double your current bet. For players like me this hurts because I can't play a strategy that has been very good to me. For example:
    if I'm at two units (70%) that amouts to $35 on each hand. Now it will be $35-$70. This is a spread and variance consideration that is down the drain.

    2)Hit soft 17 will implemented on shoe games for only a part of the shoe. One table that I was at was a test case and the dealer forgot to hit the soft 17 a couple of times. I did not determine the exact implementation, but the dealer goofs don't say much for this off-the-wall hairbrain thinking.

    One other thing.....There are some new ASM's and they are big heavy units that hang off the back of the table behind the shoe. You can't tell if the device is working or not...very quite and appears to be well made. I say appears because the very first table I was at, the bottom two cards did not trasfer and were in the machine (left side) when the dealer did another shuffle (we played a short shoe). Things came to a halt while a change-out took place. I think they were aware of the problem because they were using one shoe of cards.

    My $12.50 per day on Jury duty may be more valuable than I thought..........


    geesh... nough said.
  • The Casino's have made it harder. I think the double your bet is advantage to the AP. Many people will not want to match their initial large bet. If the AP remains agressively paticience betting min on neg deck because their high bet was initially determined the count.

    This too will come to pass. I'll bet Las Vegas sends out a 50% increase in comp'd rooms next year. Heavy holds will be the norm (and comp rewarded) by AP's who can't count. I'm talking about the "Forum Players" who think they can count and come home with "big please come back" implanted six inches between the ears by House HR Staff. As for the plain stupid poppy who believes they like him speaks for itself. If there are 40 just fair enough playable tables this year there will be 30 next year. A lot of money can be mae off a vacant room 365. The comp'd suites will go the the most stupid, but with the hottest girl. It's all money.
  • Maybe off the strip you can find rules that are simialar or the same to boomtown rules but finding rules that are better than Boomtown's rules for a single deck is impossible even if you are in las vegas.

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