Backed-off?
  • What exactly is meant by being “Backed-off”? I’ve been reading about it happening to people here, but don’t really know much about it. Are you politely asked to leave, or are you forcibly removed? How long are you banned from the property? What, if any, is the penalty for returning to the casino later that day? Are records kept or shared with other casinos? Any other information you can share is appreciated.
  • When people say that they where backed off from a blackjack game all that means is that floor person asked them not to play blackjack but usually they can play other games and still be on the property.
  • Dol Bil Tink said:
    What exactly is meant by being “Backed-off”? I’ve been reading about it happening to people here, but don’t really know much about it. Are you politely asked to leave, or are you forcibly removed? How long are you banned from the property? What, if any, is the penalty for returning to the casino later that day? Are records kept or shared with other casinos? Any other information you can share is appreciated.


    Most backoffs will be either polite or curt. Polite, "sir your game is too strong for us, you are welcome to play any game and use hotel facilities but no more blackjack." Curt, "No more blackjack for you!"
    Should you return to the blackjack tables you might be tresspassed (86d) which means banned and I guess that is forever but most players wait a few months and return. When returning after being banned you are now guilty of misdemeaner tresspass for which you can be fined.

    Some casinos share information with each other and there are companies like Griffin who compile information from casinos and distribute it to their subscribers.

    ihate17
  • Is Griffen still around/ I thought they lost their ass....ets in several civil cases and went belly-up.
  • NYB said:
    Is Griffen still around/ I thought they lost their ass....ets in several civil cases and went belly-up.


    Yes, they filed a chapter for reorganization after the Russo/Grosjean case, were supposed to reorganize but I have not heard a word about it in a long time.
    Really interesting to find out that they were a mom and pop place run out of a outbuilding on Beverly Griffin's land with hardly any overhead.
    Now how having about 100 casino clients and little overhead could bankrupt you before paying out the lawsuits is the kind of thing that makes me curious.
    Anyway, they are not the only ones in the casino paranoia business.

    ihate17
  • Most of the time the casinos would give information to Griffin. They just wanted a third party investigation prior to hearing. They survived as a Mom/Dad/Family because they learned early to keep the mouth shut.
  • jimpenn said:
    Most of the time the casinos would give information to Griffin. They just wanted a third party investigation prior to hearing. They survived as a Mom/Dad/Family because they learned early to keep the mouth shut.


    Jim,

    Would you mind translating that to English? Thanks.

    Griffin took a big hit when Andy Anderson left to start Biometrica. Although not the brightest guy, he was determined and loved his job. He also ended up getting sued by Griffin for taking the database with him.
  • I remember the Andy Anderson takes on the MIT team. He was so sharpe and good at his job that it took him years to figure out what was going on and by that time millions had been freed from the casinos and the teams were morphing into smaller independent teams. But, the complete failure that he was, he came off as some kind of security genius for the TV show.

    ihate17

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