Down the drain
  • well my luck finally drained out, after just playing BS, went to jackson, sat down with 40, bet 5 min, and only won once, and i was out, i hate when i lose like 8-9 hands in a row. I was constantly getting 15,16 vs 10 i usually wave off those stiffs cuz i usually bust, and everytime i waved it off.. there comes the 10 flying out so i knew it was saving me. I must learn to count
  • Go play the hit or stand game just on normal mode for now and see how you do. If you can get a 100% with some bonus points move on to difficult mode and practice there. You probably are not playing perfect basic stragedy but what I call 90% basic stragedy meaning you might know a lot of basic stragedy but will make errors here or there. With 15 or 16 against a 10 it is a very close call as weather or not to hit or stand but it is usually better to hit. With 15 or 16 against a 7 it is almost always correct to hit and if there was any doubt at all I would always go with a hit.
  • no i play perfect BS, i always get to the bonus round on difficult, but sometimes i get this gut feeling to stay on a 14 or 15 against a 10 in real life, cuz whenever i decide to hit on those 90 percent of the time i bust.
  • Do you play on single deck or on a six deck shoe? If you stand on 14 consisting of 2 7's that's an advanced play. But if you stay on 10,4 against a 10 you are just hurting your self or any other combination. If you play on a six deck shoe always hit 14,15 against a 10. A lot of times when you bust the dealer will flip over a pat hand and it will not matter for that one hand because you would of lost anyway. Sometimes when you don't hit and have the gut feeling a 5-6 will come out. If your gut feelings are based on I have been really unlucky today I feel like I'm going to bust than you probably will set your self up to lose. However if look around and see that other players hands have cards in them that if you draw them you would get 20 or 21 than they might have some merrit.

    The hit or stand game will not help you if you don't use the stragedies when you play.
  • gut feelings are for the best Bj players in the world lol, u must teach me ur skills my master =)
  • Casino Royale said:no i play perfect BS, i always get to the bonus round on difficult, but sometimes i get this gut feeling to stay on a 14 or 15 against a 10 in real life, cuz whenever i decide to hit on those 90 percent of the time i bust.

    So you can play perfect BS but you choose not to in real life. In that case it doesn’t matter if you know BS or not because you aren’t going to use it. Those losing streaks are going to come pretty often if you aren’t playing correctly.

    Also, a $40 session bankroll is pretty small compared to the normal swings of the game. You would be better of with at least $100 to start with. Here’s a good article about bet sizing for BS players:

    http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/Blackjack_Basic_Strategy_Betting_And_Risk.htm

    -Sonny-
  • You walk in and sit down at a blackjack table and buy chips for your $40. You get a pair 8's vs a dealer 7, you split, you get 2 more 8's and then you get a 2 or 3 on each 8 and double. You now have your whole bankroll out on your first bet of the day. The dealer pulls a 7 card 21 and you leave the casino. Not likely, but half your bankroll could be gone in a hand fairly easily.

    If I was a $5 flat bettor, I would enter with $500 but would tell you to take at least $300. It does not matter if you count cards, play basic strategy or play every single hand just with your gut, the game is a game of high variance, big swings and is more like a roller coaster if you were making a graph of results over a short period of time.

    I would suggest you work on building a bankroll and during the time that you are saving up some money, you work on your mental outlook towards blackjack and your blackjack game itself if you are serious about this. This site will help you with basic strategy and there are fine books we can reccommend for counting but there is another book that just might be what someone like yourself could use.
    The book does not teach you to count. The book attempts to make you understand that blackjack is simply math and all the superstitions you hear from other players and dealers are just that, superstitions. Kind of helps clear the old BS (BS does not mean basic strategy) from your mind. It is I believe called "the blackjack zone" by Eliott Jacobson.

    Now on those hands like 15 and 16 vs a dealer 10. Counter, non counter are both still at a big disadvantage on the hand. You will probably lose! The correct play is the play that over a long period of time will result in your losing less money on this hand than the other ways of playing it. So, for a basic strategy player playing a 6 deck shoe, if surrender is offered you would do so, losing 50% of your money because that is actually a better result than hitting or staying in this situation based on playing enough hands. Hitting also has better results than standing and that is why basic strategy says to hit.
    The counter has more information that the basic strategy player. The counter can tell you if the remaining cards are heavy in low or big cards and based upon this he may deviate from basic strategy but he is still a big underdog on this particular type of hand.

    ihate17
  • i guess it was just luck in the past but ive got so much money from staying on those 15 and 16's, but there is no surrener at jackson. All the other times i went i usually bought in with a 100 tho, Ill start perfect bs next time i go and see how that turns out, i mainly just wanna learn to count tho.
  • Are there revisions to be made to BS when playing the different BJ game, or do you play the same way regardless of single, two, four, six or eight decks?


    Also, would someone explain "Pivot Point" ?



    Thanks.
  • dr3putt said:
    Are there revisions to be made to BS when playing the different BJ game, or do you play the same way regardless of single, two, four, six or eight decks?


    Also, would someone explain "Pivot Point" ?



    Thanks.


    There are different basic strategies depending on number of decks, rules (H17/S17) that are readily available. There are slight changes for other rules such as no doubling after splitting, etc...

    the pivot point is a number used in an unbalanced card count that tells you when you or the house has the advantage based on cards already played. In a true-counted system, a count of 0 is neutral, anything > 0 means you have some level of advantage. In a non-true-counted system, the pivot point is the corresponding "idea"... If you don't count with an unbalanced count system, it is meaningless.
  • Thanks for the response. Any idea where I might find a publication that outlines these changes? Thanks again.
  • You can find the various changes here: The Blackjack Basic Strategy Engine. (from blackjackinfo.com)

    Plug in the rules at the bottom and it will show you how to vary your play.

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