Harrahs 7 Diamond Club
  • Just got finished reading for, the third time, Max Rubin's book "Comp City"

    Wow....if you have not read it please consider doing so. It will put money(comps) in your pocket.

    I am currently a Diamond Member at Harrahs trying to reach the 100,000 action needed to qualify for 7 Diamond membership. Would there be an opportunity to reach this plateau playing at a minimum of $25.00 per hand with a spread of 1-5 using KO and a suitable money management program?

    Look forward to hearing from those in the know.,Thanks....
  • As a disclaimer, I am barred from all Harrah's properties, so perhaps take what I say with a grain of salt.

    My guess is that you do not live in either Nevada or California because in those two states you have other choices of casinos and Harrah's has the worst blackjack of any casino corporation! Some examples: The worst blackjack in all of the U.S., Canada, Carribean, Central America, Europe and most probably the world can be found in Harrah's owned O'Sheas. The MGM little casino, Slots-A-Fun has a much better $5 double deck blackjack game than the high roller, $500 minimum blackjack game at Caesars. The best games offered in any Harrah's owned casino at $100 minimum are much worse than games you can get for $10 at MGM or Monte Carlo. In other states they do have a few good games or just might be the only show around.

    They traditionally comp very poorly for blackjack but a Harrah's regular may have an idea of their formula, I do not. You must understand they are a dedicated slot company and have a true dislike for table games because they do not have the same control in blackjack that they have on a slot machine where they know every cent you put in and can set the payback exactly. If it were up to them, blackjack would not exist.

    At a 1-5 spread, you will probably only average less than $35 per hand. Playing at a rate of 60 hands per hour you will be betting about $2,100 per hour, so about 50 hours would give you $100,000 in action but I do not think they count table game bets the same way they count machine bets.

    ihate17
  • I played at Harrah's casino once and I felt uncomfortable their so I played their less than a half an hour but I signed up for players card hoping to get some goodies in the mail. I agree with ihate17 that Harrahs is a terrible place to play blackjack regardless of the minimums. How anybody could get barred for being an advantage player at a place with such bad rules is beyond me. First off why as an advantage player why would you want to play there when there are more profitable games across the street? The pit must be over reactive and through out players who very there bet two much regardless of not if they have an advantage or not. Wouldn't you rather play at a club that has better rules?
  • learningtocount said:
    I played at Harrah's casino once and I felt uncomfortable their so I played their less than a half an hour but I signed up for players card hoping to get some goodies in the mail. I agree with ihate17 that Harrahs is a terrible place to play blackjack regardless of the minimums. How anybody could get barred for being an advantage player at a place with such bad rules is beyond me. First off why as an advantage player why would you want to play there when there are more profitable games across the street? The pit must be over reactive and through out players who very there bet two much regardless of not if they have an advantage or not. Wouldn't you rather play at a club that has better rules?



    Why would an advantage player play at Harrah's?
    Based upon their rules and their pen, advantage players would not play there, so why do they and why do I since being tresspassed still sneak into some Harrah's owned properties to play.

    Besides having horrible games, they often are so sure they can protect themselves with their bad rules that they may have many sloppy dealers, combined with inept pits.

    So why was I 86d from one of their casinos. My answer is I got greedy. Their answer would be I got hole card information from a poorly trained dealer.
    No I was not hitting my 19 vs dealer 20, but my greed was just staying too long while having a nice win. Cardcounting is only a part of advantage play.

    ihate17
  • I'm a dealer and I know that my hole card has been exposed 1 time for every 10,000-20,000 hands that I have dealt by accident. The card will flip over by acciedent or slip out and turn over on the wrong side and will have to quickly turn it back. My question for you is how often did you see the dealer's whole card? Did you use a shinner two see the card or was the dealer just to sloppy?
  • learningtocount said:
    I'm a dealer and I know that my hole card has been exposed 1 time for every 10,000-20,000 hands that I have dealt by accident. The card will flip over by acciedent or slip out and turn over on the wrong side and will have to quickly turn it back. My question for you is how often did you see the dealer's whole card? Did you use a shinner two see the card or was the dealer just to sloppy?


    Anyone can have an accident and turn a card, that is far from what I am talking about.
    The mention of shinner, I consider as an insult! That is cheating and I do not cheat!
    A dealer who develops bad habits might expose a small portion of his hole card in a pitch game 50-75% of the time. Very few dealers do this, most like you do not have these sloppy habits. Once I locate a slopply dealer I will note their name, casino, shift and description and on future trips see if they are there and on a pitch game.
    So, most times I play I never see the hole card but those times when I locate this kind of dealer, I might see it more than 50% of the time. At one time I had a list of 16 dealers who could be read in pitch games and 3 on shoes in Vegas but the number has gone down some as some moved on and some work in places where nearly everything comes out of a shoe. But I have added some there and in other locations. Back around the time where I was trespassed, Harrah's owned properties seemed to have the largest percentage of sloppy dealers, which made their blackjack game a good game for me, as long as I played with the right dealer.
    Holecarding also works on games besides blackjack.

    ihate17

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