Wayne said:if i were to buy in for 200$, and play 5$ units with a 1-5 or maybe 1-6 spread how much heat would i get at most casinos? i dont know if the one i will play at most sweats their money. the only thing i can think of that would help you find an answer is that its indian owned. i have played there 3 times (maybe 4, i dont remember) and i was flat betting each time. and the times i have played there ive seen people betting up to maybe like 100 a hand. and i dont think the pit even really payed attention, but i have heard "check play" a few times. also, doesnt check play mean come and see whats going on at the table pretty much or no?
Wayne said:thanks people. the casino is called the avi. and if you say buying in for 200 will bring attention, how about buying in for 50$ at a time? or should i leave it at 100$? if anyone has any info on the avi regarding blackjack i would really appreciate it.
NYB said:Why would you stop using your players card? that would be like seeing a twenty dollar bill sitting on the road and not picking it up,because you are afraid there miht be a camera somewhere.
stainless steel rat said:Simple reason: that's the easiest way to get burned as a card counter. If you ask around, the majority of the backoffs/barrings happen when you first buy in, when they take your player's card. The last time you played, you did something to attract attention. Since they have your name, they will take the time to have someone upstairs review the videa and use something like blackjack voice and evaluate your play to see if you were playing with a real advantage or not. If so, they will flag your player's club account and the next time you enter, you get deep-sixed. Without the card, you are just a "John Doe" and they will have to depend on someone recognizing your face if they later decide you are a personna non gratia.
If you are hustling comps, you have little choice. But if you are a serious card counter, most don't use their real names. I "swap" player's cards frequently with friends that don't play 21, so that if I get 'em into hot water they don't care since they don't play 21 anyway...
And we work out the comps out-of-sight.
NYB said:The guy is playing red and flat-betting.Give me a break.No casino in Southern Nevada is going to sweat him. You know that,or at least you should.At that level,a couple of free dinners and a free room is worth much more than the dollar or two profit he'll pull from a game.
learningtocount said:Table game comps are usually good for at least a year. At the Crystal Bay Club they are good forever. Slot points are usually good for a year.
stainless steel rat said:More importantly, no casino is going to give him anything worthwhile in the way of comps if he flat-bets $5. Certainly not a "RFB type comp". However, I was speaking in the general sense of "to use or not use" with respect to the player's card. For an aspiring card counter, it's a risk. Of course, counting is a risk as well...
BTW I have been backed off at least twice in sawdust joints using a $5 unit, so it can happen. Not at the MGM. But then they won't rate a $5 player (in fact, a $5 player can hardly play at the MGM, I don't ever see anything less than $10 mins there, $25 when it gets crowded.)
NYB said:Again,thats simply not true. Especially where he is from. I have played less than three hours total at the Pioneer in Laughlin,yet get mailings for free rooms on a monthly basis.My biggest bet there was $10,but the PB happily comped me to a free buffet.At The Riverside,I played less than an hour betting $5-15 but just recieved a mailer inviting me to a free BJ tournament with 3 nights comped and a welcome buffet dinner.All I needed to get free nights offered from the Ramada was to sign up for their players card and check the box that I'm a veteran.
Plaza,Vegas Club,Wild West,El Cortez,Buffalo Bills and others will comp $5 bettors to rooms,if they play on a semi-regular basis.Terribles will hook you up with food,as will The Edgewater.
Grifter said:NYB Ignore him. He is just pretending to be an AP and a player again, but he rarely plays. He made a one week trip to LV two years ago, but I doubt if he has played in a casino ten hours since then.
Wayne Listen to NYB and use your card. Everything he says about comps in your area is correct. I played the Laughlin area on a monthly basis from 03 to 06 and never had an official backoff playing everything from a ten dollar to twenty-five dollar plus unit. And yes, weekend comps and tix are readily available if you play on a regular basis.
Regards ..Grifter
NYB said:At smaller casinos,I've heard "checks play" for as little as $25,if the player had been betting $5 before this.
NYB said:The guy is playing red and flat-betting.Give me a break.No casino in Southern Nevada is going to sweat him. You know that,or at least you should.At that level,a couple of free dinners and a free room is worth much more than the dollar or two profit he'll pull from a game.
NYB said:Considering that there are but a handful of places where you can even spread RED chips 1-5 since that implies a $5 minimum bet,I'm thinking you don't have all that much recent playing time in Southern Nevada.There are few places that will sweat any sort of Red chip action any longer.I'm just back from extended playing downtown and even the Vegas club has stopped sweating small timers. They just made the game unplayable.El Cortez stopped awhile ago.
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