Basic Strategy Help
  • Hey everyone. I'm new to the site and fairly new to blackjack. I've been traveling to Vegas with a group of guys on a golf trip for the past two years. I'm going out again in November. I never really gambled until last year when I dabbled a little. I decided I want to play more and purchased a couple of books on blackjack and have gone to several sites to learn basic strategy. My question is if basic strategy is based on mathematics why are there differing opinions on strategy? For instance, on this site and a book I read it says that with a pair of 2's or a pair of 3's vs dealer 2 or 3 to hit while other books and sites say to split. Also if you have a pair of 6's vs dealer 2 some say split, some say hit. I understand that based on the game you are playing the decisions may differ slightly but the charts I am referencing appear to all be based on vegas rules, multi deck, das, dealer stands on soft 17. Any help would be appreciated.
  • Hi JayJay, Welcome to this site! The mathematically correct strategy is to split all of the hands you mention... Some authors will slightly bend the rules when making "simplified" Basic Strategy charts, and sometimes the offered action is just incorrect! Good luck!
  • Thanks for the info Walter. I will make the adjustments to my strategy (I've been practicing for months so that my plays are 100% correct). I'm assuming that the odds are pretty close thus the reason for some in favor of splitting and others just hit?
  • JayJay11 said:
    Thanks for the info Walter. I will make the adjustments to my strategy (I've been practicing for months so that my plays are 100% correct). I'm assuming that the odds are pretty close thus the reason for some in favor of splitting and others just hit?

    Your assumption is correct... many of these variations result in the cost of about one hand for every 12 hours of play, but playing the mathematically correct way is always best.
  • Welcome JayJay,
    Your original guess that is depends on the rules is correct.
    In all of the situations you mention (pair of 2 vs 2 or 3, pair of 3 vs 2 or 3, pair of 6 vs 2), the correct strategy is to split if you are allowed to double after splitting, otherwise hit. Most casinos will allow a double after a split. I usually ask the dealer "double after split?" in these situations.
  • I'm learning how to play blackjack, look forward to your help
    Thanks
  • Thanks for the insite guys. I assume the same is true for a pair of 4's vs a 5 or 6? This is the only other situation where I see a difference in the strategy charts. I'm heading to Vegas Nov 13 - 18. Really looking forward to finally having the confidence to pony up to a table and enjoy playing. Any tips or suggestions you guys have? I'm not sure if it's cool to say where I'm staying. I'm assuming look for a double deck game if possible and avoid the dreaded 6-5 blackjack payout? I won't get into the idea of having a betting strategy to avoid the thread being highjacked but I am looking to employ some type of money management system. I'm looking to play at tables of $5 - $15 minimum.
  • JayJay11 said:
    Thanks for the insite guys. I assume the same is true for a pair of 4's vs a 5 or 6? This is the only other situation where I see a difference in the strategy charts. I'm heading to Vegas Nov 13 - 18. Really looking forward to finally having the confidence to pony up to a table and enjoy playing. Any tips or suggestions you guys have? I'm not sure if it's cool to say where I'm staying. I'm assuming look for a double deck game if possible and avoid the dreaded 6-5 blackjack payout? I won't get into the idea of having a betting strategy to avoid the thread being highjacked but I am looking to employ some type of money management system. I'm looking to play at tables of $5 - $15 minimum.

    Hi Jay, you are correct - split 4's vs. 5 or 6 is correct if double after split is allowed. I'd suggest you do a review of hand signals and procedures also (http://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack/ is a good place). Some important tips to stay on the dealer's good side: In pitch games only pick up the cards with one hand, in shoe games do not touch the cards, and do not touch your bet after the deal starts.
    Also, when you sit down, the dealer will wait for the hand to end before taking your money and giving you chips. When you leave, do so between hands and he will "color up" chips so you don't have to take as many to the cashier.
    Good luck, and please report back here how it went.
  • Thanks for the advice MarkAbe. I doubt I'll be playing single deck and I'm pretty familiar with the etiquette. Thanks for that link, that's very helpful. I would absolutely want to know the etiquette before sitting down, especially if there are others at the table. I will be playing at two different casinos while I'm out there and possibly downtown my last day, so I will give as detailed a report as I can. I may not have all the info you guys want since I'm not too familiar with all the lingo that counters use but I'll do my best. I will definitely give you data on the different table rules I see. If there is something in particular you want to know please feel free to let me know and I'll do my best to get the info.
  • Thanks for the info

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