Card Counting
  • OK, got basic strategy down and reconize all plays now. Ready to learn counting and think, from what I've read, that speed counting is the program for a beginner. Any ideas?
  • Speed Count is about the worst count you could find.
  • what is card counting? hello!
  • I can give you a tip about horse racing, and dog racing.
  • any comments on card counting?
  • Knockout Blackjack is considered the easiest as you do not have to do Truecount conversions.

    Hi-L0 may be the most popular. It is used by most teams.
  • I think everyone should start with Hi-Lo then possibly expand from there for something you may like more.
  • Speed Count is aweful just learn the basic Hi Lo with Illustrous 18 and your good to go, what you need to understand is camoflauge and all the legal aspects and street smarts of the game.

    I remommend Richard Marcus's Card Counting Course along with Katarina Walkers Spanis 21 book, if your interested in Baccarat Counting Richard Marcus's course is good there as well. Read up on Casino Heat and Laws pertaining blackjack.
  • you will be good to go !
  • I am pretty sure that HI/LO is the most popular. It has the added benefit of being one of the easier to learn. Cards 2-6 are plus cards, A and 10 value cards are minus one, and 7,7 and 9 are neutral. Also, if you are playing on a shoe game, you need to be able to convert from running count to true count on the fly.
  • How much RTP improvement is actually 1 point in true count giving you? And does anyone know what is the average difference of RTP estimated by true count and real RTP?
  • The Hi Lo system is the best balance between accuracy and ease of use. There are simpler systems that don't give you as much of an edge. There are more complex systems that are harder to keep straight so people make mistakes.

    The Hi Lo is pretty simple. 2 thru 6 is a +1. 7 thru 9 is 0. 10 thru Aces are -1. I would start by just counting down a deck of cards. Before you flip over the last card you should have an idea of what it is; Hi, Lo, or neutral.

    As simple as this sounds it becomes difficult when you are actually playing. Virtually all games are shoe games now so you are dealing with multiple decks. This adds a new calculation. I just told you how to do a running count. The true count is that number divided by the number of decks left in the shoe. That can be a pain to figure out in your head while carrying on and trying to look like you are just playing, not doing tons of calculations in your head. If you accidentally count a low card as a high card or vice versa you throw of the running count by 2. I find myself making this mistake after mental fatigue sets in. You want to practice obsessively.

    On a final note, you want to learn some deviations. There are times when it is appropriate to stray from basic strategy depending on what the true count is. My favorite is splitting tens against a dealer's up card of 4, 5,or 6. When the true count is a +4 or greater it is appropriate to split 10s against a dealer's 6. Why is this? Because there are more 10s in the deck and it is highly likely that the dealer is going to bust. This allows you to make twice as much against this hand. Against a 5 you want a count of +5 and against a 4 you want a count of +6.

    I have heard some people argue against the validity of these deviations. They say basic strategy was tested on a computer using millions of hands. My answer to that is that so were these deviations. It only makes sense that the optimal strategy against certain hands will change as the composition of the deck changes.

    If you can master the Hi Lo and want to graduate to something harder then Wong Halves is a good system to look at. Also shuffle tracking can give you advantages in situations where the count is not even hot. I have tried out Wong Halves but shuffle tracking is pretty intimidating to me. Perhaps with time and practice but I find it overwhelming.
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