Playing 2 Hands
  • I recently won $1175 very quickly (less than 30 minutes) playing 2 hands at a $25 table, but did not bring DOUBLE the bankroll for playing 2 hands... I just brought my normal bankroll. My question though, is does one actually NEED to bring double the bankroll for playing 2 hands since you're putting double the money at risk? Or did I just get some good hands real fast?

    I read WT's book where he offers his Table Tactics, but when mentioning about playing 2 hands, I dont recall him mentioning whether you should bring DOUBLE YOUR BANKROLL as well.
  • BUG, I don't know how to respond to you poll, because I can't think of
    any logical reason why you should decide to play two hands before
    going to the casino................
  • Ray - I agree 100%. Doesn't make any sense.....I didn't vote either.....G.
  • Ray said:
    BUG, I don't know how to respond to you poll, because I can't think of
    any logical reason why you should decide to play two hands before
    going to the casino................


    What?! It's just a question, and if you and Grifter dont understand the poll and the simplisity of my query, obviously those other 7 people who voted are much smarter than you both. :roll: :roll: :roll:

    WHAT PART OF THE POLL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? YOU NEVER HEARD OF PEOPLE PLAYING 2 HANDS BEFORE?! It is straight to the point.
  • I think your 2nd poll option contradicts itself. Just my opinion,
  • The 2nd poll option is confusing to me. I believe it was misstated. Bug, you may want to look at it again.
  • Bug: To the best of my knowledge there are three types of players on
    this forum and they are:

    B/S flat better
    B/S Progression player
    Card counter

    Because playing two hands does not increase your chances to win, I can't
    see any reason for the first two to ever play two hands. Its true that the
    variance will be reduced for flat betters, but your chance to win more is
    also reduced. In this situation, your session stake remains the same for
    for playing one hand. Progression players do not get the benefit of reduced variance(if you can call that a benefit). Playing two identical hands
    of progressions will not reap the same results as a flat better and this is
    due to the fact that the progessions will not be in lock step for win/lose and
    push. The results is unpredictable for the progression player because there
    will be a difference in money for each hand most of the time.

    A card counter has a good reason to play two hands, but even this
    is very limited. When there is a positive count and you are close to the
    shuffle, it may be a good idea to play two hands in order to get an extra
    hand or two in before the shuffle, etc.

    In summary, before you go to the casino, there is no logical reason for
    you, the educated blackjack player, to ever ask the question listed in
    the poll.

    Finally, Bug don't take response to your post as being personal. All post
    generate good discussions and are constructive because of that. There
    are no bad post or questions.
  • Ray said:
    Because playing two hands does not increase your chances to win, I can't
    see any reason for the first two to ever play two hands.


    That's not the point. I'm just asking if we are supposed to bring DOUBLE the bankroll for playing 2 spots, versus just one. So... does anyone know?

    I can see where you guys got confused on my 2nd poll option. I wish there's a way to change it, but there isn't. Just ignore the last sentence of the 2nd poll option, and treat the answer just as if it said only "No, you dont need to bring double the bankroll for playing 2 spots", as opposed to the first option, which clearly says you should.
  • Bug: But that is exactly the point!!! Electing to play two hands is not a
    valid strategy and as a result there is no correct answer to your poll.

    TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT
  • I don't think there's a definitive answer to this poll, but my guess would be that you'd want to have somewhere between 1.5 to double the bankroll. As was mentioned in a previous post, since the 2-handed progression doesn't move in tandem its difficult to say what you'll need... largely because your average bet size will be difficult to pinpoint.

    There are tools that can help someone who wants to pay multiple hands determine their bankroll risk, it revolves around something called covariance. Basically it says that a player can bet 73% of one hand on two different hands (at the same table) without taking on increased risk. For practical purposes 75% is easier to calculate and use in play rather than the 73%.

    EXAMPLE
    Bug brings $400 to the casino and plans to flat bet $20 on one hand. Just for fun decides to play two hands at a time. He can now bet $15 (75% of $20) on each of two hands without taking on any additional risk to his $400 bankroll.

    Card counters will use these types of calculations and spread to multiple hands often, since it allows them to get more money on the table in advantageous situations (without added risk).
  • I will sometimes, if bumping heads with the dealer, start off by playing two spots. Using a WT progression, and if I lose both spots, change to one spot. I do this until I lose while playing one spot, the I start again playing two spots and so on. I don't know if there is a name for this, but I just call it trying to manipulate the streaks. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but, it does make for some interesting play.
  • Ray said:
    Because playing two hands does not increase your chances to win, I can't
    see any reason for the first two to ever play two hands.


    That's not the point. I'm just asking if we are supposed to bring DOUBLE the bankroll for playing 2 spots, versus just one. So... does anyone know?

    I can see where you guys got confused on my 2nd poll option. I wish there's a way to change it, but there isn't. Just ignore the last sentence of the 2nd poll option, and treat the answer just as if it said only "No, you dont need to bring double the bankroll for playing 2 spots", as opposed to the first option, which clearly says you should.
  • Bug, I didn't vote in your poll, because I have no idea, but thanks for raising this question.

    Ray said:
    I can't think of
    any logical reason why you should decide to play two hands before
    going to the casino................


    My first thought was, I routinely play two hands. My second thought was, why in the heck am I doing that, anyway?

    I had given even less thought to the question of whether I should bring more money to support playing two hands. (Okay, I'm a little slow sometimes.)

    Now I'm starting to reconsider my approach to this whole idea of playing more than one hand. I knew there was some reason I check out this forum every night!
  • Ray said:
    Because playing two hands does not increase your chances to win, I can't
    see any reason for the first two to ever play two hands.


    That's not the point. I'm just asking if we are supposed to bring DOUBLE the bankroll for playing 2 spots, versus just one. So... does anyone know?

    I can see where you guys got confused on my 2nd poll option. I wish there's a way to change it, but there isn't. Just ignore the last sentence of the 2nd poll option, and treat the answer just as if it said only "No, you dont need to bring double the bankroll for playing 2 spots", as opposed to the first option, which clearly says you should.
  • Well?!??????????????????????????????

    After all this time NO ONE has said if you're supposed to bring DOUBLE the bankroll for playing 2 hands... or if the same bankroll used for 1 is ample! What's up?!
  • yes. bring double the bankroll.

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