A Question about Renzey
  • Well I went to a local casino a few weeks ago to play some blackjack. I brought the blackjack bluebook II in with me of course I just read through the basic strategy and mastering that first. Well to put a long story short a pit boss spotted this book and said that the author was useless and dead broke which is the only reason why he writes books.

    Is this in anyway true? So far this book seems packed with wonderful information that I find very useful. I am now pretty much passed the basic strategy and going through the advanced strategys than going for the KISS count after I am done with the advanced strategys that he offers... (Doctor Pepper rule and the 45 rule).

    My question concerns this... Should I listen to what this pit boss says or ignore him? IS he in anyway correct?

    Sorry if I offended Renzey if he's reading this...
  • It seems like your second paragraph answers your question, nicely.

    As far as the author's personal business, who cares what he has in the bank or how it got there.

    I do know that it does not take a rocket scientist to be a pit boss and work in a local casino, anywhere outside of Las Vegas Blvd.

    As far a offending someone, I'm probably more offended by your question than he would be, and I'm not giving it a second thought. :lol:
  • Right on, Mike. I have no concern about anyone's personal financial situation. I wish all of you success, whether it be playing blackjack, writing books, stand up comedy, working for the casino, or whatever. I also would NOT recommend carrying a "how to" book into the casino. It may draw unwelcome attention, and you don't have time to stop and read it anyway. I say do your homework before going.
  • Jeff... NO books on 21 in the CASINO.

    NO charts other than Basic Strategy.

    What would you have done if the Pit Boss asked you for it, and then didn't return it?... What if a few LARGE guys asked you to leave and not come back?
  • Oh boy do I feel rather dumb. :oops:

    Well, I sure wont do that again! Perhaps I should stay away from this paticular casino? It was the Drift On Inn, owned by the Mitchel brothers I believe.

    What casinos do you recommend in the seattle area?
  • Well, don't bring any books...and if asked about the book "last time" just reply, "I see what you mean about that guy"... I lost my shirt over at ________ Casino. I don't see what a little white lie and the guts to face'em again will do to hurt.

    Sorry, but I'm unfamiliar with the NW corner of the US.

    Good Cards,
  • Well I went back the other day and the Casino personell were watching me more heavily than usual. I was winning alot of money, not ranging my bets to wildly or anything but I was playing perfect strategy very well... They brought up the subject of counting and asked me if I knew anyone who knew how to play well or even professionaly and told them of course not.

    Just currious should I be concerned and not come back... I thought that this whole getting bared stuff was a myth but now I am not so sure... What should I do here?
  • Give it a rest for a month or two and don't play on the same shift and/or the same pit when you go back. Find another place to play in the meantime.
  • Jeff

    Even if Renzey is dead broke that doesn't say anything about his blackjack knowledge! If he did lose his money maybe it was playing craps or the stock market, who knows.

    Perfect example is Stu Ungar, he won 3 WSOP and many consider him the greatest poker player of all time, but when he died only had $800 to his name (drugs were his weapon of destruction).

    P.S. - I wouldn't worry to much about the fact that you had the book with you, the casinos know if you were a counter that you probably wouldn't be drawing attention to yourself by carrying around the book.
  • I don't know where anyone got the idea that Renzey is broke. He writes a weekly colume for a major Chicago Daily newspaper and lives in the Chicago suburbs. I think he is doing very well. Plays blackjack and poker at the 7 Chicago area casino's. Far from broke.

    Charles
  • tuffy88 said:
    I don't know where anyone got the idea that Renzey is broke. He writes a weekly column for a major Chicago Daily newspaper and lives in the Chicago suburbs. I think he is doing very well. Plays blackjack and poker at the 7 Chicago area casino's. Far from broke.

    Charles

    Well, If he's not broke, why doesn't he send us some money, just to prove it? Or give free copies of his book to everyone. :shock: Seriously, though, I wonder if he'd autograph one if you sent him one??? :?: :?:
    I need to buy Bluebook II, as you all say it's well worth reading. That would give me the motivation to buy it.
  • jmpoehler said:



    P.S. - I wouldn't worry to much about the fact that you had the book with you, the casinos know if you were a counter that you probably wouldn't be drawing attention to yourself by carrying around the book.


    Now that's a thought. Carry a blackjack book into the casino as a cover ploy. Who would ever suspect you as an advantaged player! Why didn't I think of that. 8)
  • And better yet, if you're a counter, make sure you bring a book about progressions.
  • Well earlier today I played at the same casino, really good basic strategy with a little side count but nothing big. However something to note is that their were pit bosses eyeing every blackjack table I was playing at. I started with a hundred dollars and was up $200. I don't know why they were eyeing my action... Maybe they were just watching other players for comps... Perhaps they know me too well as a "crapy blackjack player," I did things like doubling a ten agains't a face card and crapy stuff like that than all the sudden I come in playing really good basic strategy... I think it's best to move onto another casino and stop playing untill I master the KISS II count and go in the next casino with a really crappy martingale system book and act like a progressive bettor.... Maybe slosh alittle alchohol around my mouth.

    Should I go to the double deck shoes or the six deck when I go? I'm afraid of getting too much heat is the problem and the only casino that offers double deck that I know of is where my brother works at.
  • Hey PJ, make sure that book you carry in the casino is written by John Patrick........
  • Who is John Patrik?
  • Who is John Galt?
  • JEFF-
    LEAVE THE BOOKS AT HOME-THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO POINT IN DRAWING ANY KIND OF ATTENTION TO YOURSELF-YOU WANT TO BLEND,BLEND,BLEND.
    A PLAYER WALKS INTO THE CASINO,SITS DOWN AT THE BLACKJACK TABLE HOLDING A HOW TO BOOK ON BLACKJACK AND THE PLAYER DOES NOT,REPEAT,DOES NOT BLEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    GOOD LUCK-
    PROG
  • Lets be honest here!!! You walk in the casino wearing a Wong or Blue BK
    tee shirt and toting five books...so what. The pit may look at you as if your
    crazy and you may be, but that is not heat. Card counters get heat and
    no one else needs to worry.

    Ray
  • HI RAY-
    SO,WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT IN THE PLAYER DRAWING ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES???
    FORGET ABOUT IT.
    LATER.
    PROG
  • WINNERS GET HEAT -WHETHER THEY COUNT OR DON'T COUNT.
    PROG
  • Easy there progressionst, calm down. PJ and I were just kidding about the book. (hence the reference to John Patrick)
  • Prog-It may be that what I call heat vs someone else is two diff things.
  • Yes, I WAS kidding. Enough about books. Let's go play some blackjack. I will be on a plane Tuesday headed to Vegas for three days. I plan to do more advantage play this time, watching for opportunities to get more $$ on the table. I hope to bring home a good report to all.
  • GOOD LUCK PJ.
    WE'RE GOING TO LV ON AUGUST 1ST -6TH. LET US KNOW WHERE THE BEST GAMES ARE!
    PROG
  • I say just sit back and count down as the cards come out of the shoe. It works for me each and everytime, of course one dealer told me to back off from the table so I kind of smiled and moved to another one.

    A week ago at Hollywood casino I just jumped into this dead table, (all the other players where at other tables which should have told me to stay away but I felt different about this table for some reason). Well guess what? I did awesome! The dealer couldn't stop busting and when she didn't I usually got 20's or 19's while she got 17s and 18s. Finally the pit bosses closed down the table saying that 'it was supposed to close an hour ago.'

    Oh well I walked with well over five hundred dollars, buy in was $100. So I wasn't too pissed but kind of annoyed because after two awesome shoes in a row I wanted to continue playing. I didn't go to any other tables afterwards.
  • I know Fred Renzey quite well. He's far from broke. The pit boss is either a lier or a fool, or both.
  • I know Fred Renzey quite well. He's far from broke. The pit boss is either a lier or a fool, or both.


    Hey aren't you a writer yourself Walter? Which books have you written?
  • Jeff: Yep. Best way to check out my books is on Amazon.com. Enter my name and all my books are listed. By the way, neither Fred nor I will ever get rich from writing books!
  • Havn't read your books yet Walter... Do you count cards? I personaly love the game of black jack and am rather eager to go this local double deck game and have been mastering the card counting techiniques in Renzey's book and am eager to jump in. I've decided to wait for a month or two till I have it all down perfect than buy in for 600 dollars.

    The only thing is that I am nervous about getting bared. Do you have any advice on how to avoid this by masking my plays?
  • Jeff- At your betting levels don't worry about getting barred.
    Also, don't buy in with $600.
    Buy in with $200. If you lose it buy in with a second $200. If you don't know why this is, send me a PM.
  • If you believe every remark that comes from a pitboss's mouth, where will you be. I am not broke, but retired. I still play B/J multiple times per week where they'll let me. The post gave me a good chuckle, though.

    Any of you, send me a check for $15 and I'll mail you an autographed, slightly bent or dog-eared copy of Blackjack Bluebook II (damaged returns from the distributor). As for the info inside the book, see the reviews on Amazon.com
  • Oh; the address is:

    Blackjack Bluebook II
    PO Box 598
    Elk Grove Village, IL
    60009
  • Sorry Renzey... Hope I didn't offend you, your writing style is very entertaining and has helped me a lot. As a card counter/advantage player to be you have given me alot to work with. I've been able to use the KISS count very well and almost ready to move up to the KISS II count once I can get past a six deck shoe at home without any mistakes on a consistant basis. Being pretty hard on myself but darnit I want to beat the casinos and do it well.

    I don't know about the Mentor count... It looks somewhat complicated to use agains't any multiple decks but I might move up to that if and when I am ready.

    Now the only thing I'm worried about is how to avoid detection.
  • Jeff,

    How do you know whether you're making mistakes. Do you use a simulator that monitors your play, count, and betting?

    If so, which simulator, and how do you like it?

    Jeff Bunting said:
    I've been able to use the KISS count very well and almost ready to move up to the KISS II count once I can get past a six deck shoe at home without any mistakes on a consistant basis. Being pretty hard on myself but darnit I want to beat the casinos and do it well.
  • AsmanRimmer said:
    Jeff,

    How do you know whether you're making mistakes. Do you use a simulator that monitors your play, count, and betting?

    If so, which simulator, and how do you like it?

    [quote=Jeff Bunting] I've been able to use the KISS count very well and almost ready to move up to the KISS II count once I can get past a six deck shoe at home without any mistakes on a consistant basis. Being pretty hard on myself but darnit I want to beat the casinos and do it well.
    [/quote]

    All I do is count down a single/double deck and once it reaches the final card I guess what the card is: Face, No Counter, Or Low card. If I get it right I know my count was right if I get it wrong I know it was off.

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