small trip report
  • Hey, everyone...just came back from the casino and wanted to share my happiness... I left my house @ 1:30 in the morning so I could avoid the crowd since in Walter's book it suggests playing with a maximum of two other players at the table... Since there was only one table open for canadian funds every time an extra player sat, I went for a walk after my next loss... anyways I play the 10 to 25 progression...For the first couple hours I was up and down not really winning much but on the second last shoe I was up almost 200$$$ with the pit boss's looking...Next shoe was a new dealer and the cards went from great to bad so I left about midway through the shoe but still up 130$$$...Now I wonder what would have happened if I waited for the next shoe but since it was closing time I will never know...total playin time 3hours and 15 minutes... 40$ an hour...not a bad deal....maybe I should quit my job....HAHA just kidding...anyways now it's time for bed,,,,I'm pooped :?

    Claude
  • Claude L said:
    Now I wonder what would have happened if I waited for the next shoe but since it was closing time I will never know.
    Claude


    You have a casino that closes?
  • This casino is on an indian reserve, it's not really close to any major cities so they close the table section between 5:30 and they reopen in the morning at 10...it's only a 20 minute drive from where I live in Canada so it's great... Beats going to Montreal or Ottawa because there is just to many people there...hard to get a seat and you will probably never play one on one with the dealer...
  • It must be a Canadian thing. Our Blackjack Tables Mon-Wed in the mornings are closed at the Halifax Casino.

    Shocking when you arrive with a fist full of cash and no one lets you play until noon.
  • The casinos in San Diego are on Indian reservations but closely resemble Vegas, and now that Arnold has lifted the limit of slot machines they can have from 2000 to unlimited I beleive that they will all be mega-resorts real soon.
  • Claude L said:
    last shoe I was up almost 200$$$ with the pit boss's looking...


    Was it just casual interest, or were they really concerned over $200?

    John
  • I'm not sure...all I know is that when I wasn't winning they would almost never look over but as soon as I was up a bit they were keeping a closer look on our table...don't know maybe they were just bored...
  • Took a ride to MS to day. Tables a bit crowded for a weekday late morning. I settled in at a new table as the cards were being swamped for the 1st shoe of the day in a new pit. $15 minimum, so I played $200 to start (usually its $10 but it was late morning). Very choppy and even-handed, I never bet over 2x. There were opportunities to go 6 or 8x, but the cards weren't winning, so I never got to play the "better" hands. After about 2 1/2 hours of even play I was up 3 units and called it a game. The most I was ever ahead or behind was 5x.

    I took a break, had a Dewars and soda, and decided on a CSM to play the newly re-written,(and often practiced) progression on my website. These tables in early afternoon were still only $10. I used straight BS, with the exception that if betting 2x or more, I'd surrender 88 vs 10-value. I place $125 on the table for the initial 12x stop-loss. WELL, the 1st round went LWWWWWWTT(reduce to 2x)L. Thats 10 20 30 30 40 50 60 70 70 20. The $60 hand was BJ. After drawing to 21 twice and getting 2 pushes, I backed off. (no thats not in the strategy, just my gut feeling there). I'm up 23x with 2x on the table. I get 15 vs. 9 and bust. I start over again at 10 and play through 2 sequences making 20 profit, and then another nice run up to 60 (the winners were at 3 3 4 and 5x) with split Aces at 50 that were both winners. I lose the 6x with 20 against a 10-up BJ. After that things settled down a bit for a few sequences, and I left due to time restriction. (shift change) My $125 investment netted $435 off the table, with two $5 tip winners, one $5 loser and I tipped $10 off the table dropping the take to $425... an even 30 units.

    Some days its better to be lucky than good....
  • When it comes to this game I'd always rather be lucky than good. :lol:
  • I should mention that the CSM games here are King Machines using 4 decks. Rules are S17 DOA DAS LS split to 4 hands NO RSA. Shuffle after every round. Looks nice for progressions and BS flat bettors.
  • Don't all CSM dealer's shuffle after every round? I mean I thought that was the point of continuous shufflers was to keep those cards in the mix. I ask because I rarely have played a table with one, I always tried to avoid them until someone, (maybe you) had suggested that they weren't all that terrible. In the beginning people had talked about them as if they were as bad as a 6-5 BJ payoff.
    When you say you played @ MS, where is that? I thought you were in the NorthEast. (MS means Mississippi to me)(Or Morphine Sulfate) :lol:
  • Mike- MS is Mohegan Sun in Connecticut. They also have the largest casino in the world, the Foxwoods.
  • midnite said:
    Mike- MS is Mohegan Sun in Connecticut. They also have the largest casino in the world, the Foxwoods.

    Oh, I see. I've never been to the East Coast; I am going to Miami, via New Orleans in a couple of weeks though. I plan to play on the Mississippi River boats, but don't know of anywhere to play in Florida. Any suggestions?
  • I should probably call it the Mohegan Sun...

    Umm CSM's are the bane of counters, but actually for the BS player, or the progression player, they're quite good. One other point, although I've NOT seen this at Mohegan Sun, there were reports that some dealers loaded the machine after 2 rounds instead of one. A little extra help for the good guys if true. I have seen situations where the dealer loads after the next deal of initial 2 cards is complete. (They should load before dealing)
  • Mike: There a 5 gambling ships in the South Florida area -- Miami, Hallandale, and Ft. Lauderdale. Most offer decent rules, but only 6 or 8 deck games. Check the local paper for details, or go to www.americancasinoguide for specific details. Good luck!
  • I should mention that the CSM games here are King Machines using 4 decks. Rules are S17 DOA DAS LS split to 4 hands NO RSA. Shuffle after every round. Looks nice for progressions and BS flat bettors


    Hi There Folks :wink:

    We've not got CSM's over here in the UK ( well not in the casinos I been in yet any way :!: ) but as I will probably be coming across them, when I visit Atlantic City, can I have your views / experiences on whether they are a bit better for the progressions and BS flat bettors :?: or should I be giving them a wide berth and stick to shoe games :?: belucky and take care

    Cheers :)

    Colin
  • Colin, I've not been to AC, NJ for a long time. If there are CSMs present, then you will most likely have a 5-deck game (plays exactly like 6-decks or 8-decks) and the dealer STANDS soft 17. As far as I'm aware Late Surrender is NOT offered. This means you have to play bad hands at full price. The House Advantage is 0.38% for these conditions. If you play from an 8-deck shoe without surrender, the House has a larger advantage of 0.43%. CSM's are better suited for basic strategy, as the shuffle every round is how Basic was developed (actually it presumes the situations in the chart occur as the first round of a shoe).

    Anyone else.... please correct me if mistaken especially about the rules.
    Thanks, and good cards
  • I've never seen a CSM in Atlantic City. All of the casinos have 8 deck games and 6 decks for the higher minimum tables (except the Borgata which are all 6 decks). They are all S17 and no surrender anywhere.
  • Hi Nickels / Leon

    Thanks on the info :D thats interesting info on
    CSM's are better suited for basic strategy, as the shuffle every round is how Basic was developed (actually it presumes the situations in the chart occur as the first round of a shoe).
    :shock: many thanks, take care and be lucky

    Cheers

    Colin
  • Just got back from vacation at the Jersey Shore. We spent our last day at A.C and of course we got a free room. Have'nt been to the casino since Jan. It really feels good to sit at the tables again. I played (3) sessions total while the wife played the slots.

    The cheepest table I could play was the $15 which was fine with me. My initial buy in was for $200 with more if I needed it quick. Played for about an hour and a half. Up and down and left even after down about $150.

    The second session after the wife and I got our fill at the free Buffet was pretty much the same. So after awhile I decided to go take a nap.

    The third session proved to be a charm. Bought in with $300 and played a 20-30-40-50-60 progression.(yes 60 alittle bit more then Walts prog.) After about 3 hrs. of play I benchedmark my way up to $1525. Instead of trying to reach the next level I decided to thank the Blackjack gods and call it a night. I tipped the dealer and left. The wife did alright for a change. She ended up about $100 after it was all over. A great time!
  • Was to Mohegan Sun today playing the $10 progression at my site. As I suspected, not as good as playing from a shoe. On the 3rd buy-in.... I hit a nice streak that brought me back to $400, for a $40 profit. I couldn't leave fast enough. Played a 6-deck shoe and never needed a 2nd buy-in, but left only $80 up due to time constraints. Total $120 take after 2 $5 tips (1 each location).

    After seeing the wierd hands out of the CSM, and the double-downs getting whacked as in CVBJ, I'm gonna press for the 6 deck games. The close quarters plays would have helped A LOT today at the CSM's, but I stuck to BS. And boy did those DD's on 10 or 11 need another card.
  • well I went back to the casino last night to play for a few hours...just to make this post short I played for 3 hours and left with 115 dollars profit...I was up 250 but kept playing and lost some but that's ok....Oh yeah and that is still with Walter's progression...might go back tonight we'll see if im feeling lucky
  • Claude - Congrats......Nothing wrong with 4 units/hr profit.....Grifter
  • Back again to the Sun for a little more CSM play. This time a simple press-when-you-win progression. Bets were 10,15,20,30,40,60. I bought in for 120, and after hitting a $60 BJ, and lose the next 2 at $10, called it a day. After $10 in tips, I netted $160 profit in about 2 hrs of play. Never had to dig, though I got down to the last few reds, twice. A $30 DD winner with only $15 to spare pretty much saved my bacon (I bet $10 after that one!). I seemed to win when behind... If I could win when ahead a few bucks...
  • N&B,
    Do you use a progression when playing double deck? While in Vegas last week I used a similar progression on the last day that saved my trip. A previous poster once said progressions don't work as well with 2D. I beg to differ.
  • Haven't been out west since 9/11. I always use A5 for 2-deck games. There's nothing wrong with using a straight progression (press when you win) as long as you don't look for more than 5 in a row. This for 2-deck games. For 6-deckers you can look for 6 or 7 in a row before a shuffle. Personally I always limit myself to 6-in-a-row. The odds are about 1 in 205 based on winning 43 of 100 hands. 5-in-a-row is more like 1 in 80. Any tie in the series bump the odds up to these levels overall. The odds without a tie in the series is about 1 in 165 and 1 in 70 respectively.
  • oh yeah my best bet last night was when I was at my 25$ step in the progression... I had two 6's VS a dealer 6 so I split them...on the first 6 I got another 6 so I split that again... then the next card was 8 or something so I stood...went to the next 6 and got a 5 so I doubled and got asmall card but stood anyways and the last 6 got one more card that wasn't very good but stood... So I had 100 dollars on the table with not one good hand but the dealer busted like he should....What a relief...anyways thats all for now...hope I didn't confuse anyone
  • Grifter--

    I just wished now that I would have stopped play @ 250 dollars profit...It could have been 8 units per hour :shock: oh well maybe next time
  • PJ... I don;t see anything wrong with progressions for 2 decks. I never played them because A5 was a nice winner when Dealer stands soft 17.

    A note to all... Having made a few recent trips to Mohegan Sun, I am pleased to announce Hi-Limit ($50 min Weekdays, $100 not) 4 deck S17 are availible from a shoe. A5 does well for this and I AM tempted....

    Go get'em Tigers!
  • [quote="Nickels_n_Bullets"5-in-a-row is more like 1 in 80. [/quote]

    Nickels, never saw the odds for that stat before. I'm wondering what 4-in-a-row would be, or even 3-in-a-row. I've been toying with a 25-35-50 progression with mixed sucess.

    I hope to be back at the Sun and Foxwoods later this week. And for an oldies show next week at Sun. How have the roads been around there? All I've heard for a week is about bad accidents around Exits 80-90 off of 95. More construction or something?

    John
  • There's nothing wrong with using a straight progression (press when you win) as long as you don't look for more than 5 in a row. This for 2-deck games. For 6-deckers you can look for 6 or 7 in a row before a shuffle. Personally I always limit myself to 6-in-a-row.


    I'm not much of a progression player but just curious on this one, why would you set a limit on your streak? Is it just personal preference (like a Thomason quit point)?
  • JM... dont know your exact location... but if you can avoid I95 do so. Using Route 2 MUCH better. If from Western CT, use Merritt/Wilbur Cross (Route 15), then change to 91 in Meriden, North to Glastonbury for Route 3 over the bridge to Route 2. (The BUS route from NYC substitutes I84 and I691 for Route 15) and though longer by distance, saves a lot of headaches. Once you reach Meriden its 1 hr. Right now the busses getting hurt due to const. on 95 and 84 East of Waterbury... big project.
  • I think I will try starting from the Merritt. I start from southern CT (New Haven area) and just go 95. Takes about an hour for Foxwoods, maybe 10 minutes less for MS. Am I looking at much slower times going your suggested route? (Although I guess a little extra time is worth the trade off of not getting into a wreck).

    John
  • GH... I ran a few 500 Million round sims to find out how often a player bets the 1st through 10th terms in a progression using 6 decks (only). The results indicate a lag due to a tie, but the numbers indicate 1 in 1.6, 4.2, 10.7, 27.5, 70.4, 179, 455, 1110, 3300, and about 5500 hands played respectively. This varies due to the ties and is quite noticible for 7 and up. A bet for 7-in-a-row (meaning you won 6 and have the bet for the 7th) occurs 1 in 455 and you have a 3/7 chance of winning it. I recommend 6-in-a-row because you have a chance to win one in the course of ploppy play. Walt's and others based on 4th bets have a good chance: 2 in 55. Personally, 5-in-a-row is a great compromise at 2 in 141.

    Thanks to Norm and CV-Data for this.
  • JM... theres a connector at Sleeping Giant direct to I91 if that helps. I'm better using Wilbur Cross. Anything to bypass New Haven is worth it. I'd say probably not much more time if any. Traffic moves right along. Getting to ANY highway in CT is another matter entirely. ;o)

    ps: if you're EAST of New Haven you're pretty much screwed.
  • Nick, thanks for the tip. Gonna try that this week.

    John

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